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Seeking advice


Dear NA Members,

I should start by admitting that I am not (and have never been) a drug user myself, and I do not participate in NA.  I don't know if this message board is designed to offer the same confidentiality and exclusive support that NA meetings offer, and I am genuinely sorry if I have offended anyone by joining this message board--I assure you that I do not intend to breach your privacy by reading any personal material you have shared.

I am seeking advice about my sister, who is currently a heroin addict.  I am familiar with the NarcAnon groups for families and friends of addicts, but I believe that recovering addicts will be able to offer insight that those groups cannot provide.

My sister is 25, and has been using heroin for (approximately?) 2 years after several years of addiction to prescription painkillers.  She has occasionally made efforts toward rehab, but has never been successful for any extended period of time.  Yesterday she was arrested for shoplifting, and my parents have decided that they are not going to bail her out this time.  I expect that by now she is already experiencing symptoms associated with detox, and I can't help but feel scared and sorry for her--county jail sounds like a miserable place to experience these things. 

 

As her sister, is it best for me to leave her alone to suffer through these problems?  Should I make efforts toward her release so that detox can be done in a safer environment? She has previously received prescription drugs (clonidine and something else) from an addiction doctor--should I try to make sure that the jail makes these medications available while she's there, or is it "better" that the consequences of her actions are as miserable as 

possible?  From what I've heard, it just sounds inhumane.  Do you think that after she is done detoxing she will be more inclined to enter rehab, or would she probably be more a

nxious than ever to get her hands on more drugs?  I

there anything I can do to help turn this into the best situation it can be?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you for any advice you can offer.  Congratulations and good luck to all those who are currently working toward recovery.

 

 

 

 



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Hello Eureka 1202 and WELCOME TO MIP!

I am an addict named Mike. I am also a member of Nar-Anon (www.nar-anon.org)for friends and family of drug abusers. Before I say more,I would only suggest you find a program in your area and make a meeting to offer you HELP DURING THIS TRYING PERIOD..That program will help you understand more about the addict, that you didn;t cause it,can't control it and can't cure it. Many just like you will share their situations and share what helps them in their trials work thru helping themselves through a 12 STEP program..That being said, I have a now 27 year old son who suffered through 7 long years of heroin abuse and use and shook the foundation of not only my own almost 3 decades of recovery but everyone around him.He detoxed in jail 3x as there isn't much help beside some drugs like you mentioned available inside..WE cannot make an addict find recovery,,most times the Pain has to outweigh the pleasure and the addict must come to that emotional acceptance of utter defeat and begin the healing by putting and keeping put down the substance.For us in Narcotics Anonymous,we have found that that is just the beginning of our recoveries,as WE suffer from a physical ,mental and spiritual illness that affects all areas of our lives. WE work in what we call our Solution ,the STEPS applied in all areas of our lives,and seek to give back to the best of our abilities by sharing our recoveries with others still sick and suffering...My son was in TC'S Drug Rehabs,Intensive care Units from overdosing,jail, DRUG COURT(thrown out after 6 months sent back to jail) and as many helping programs that were available.None worked until HE made the decision and did whatever it took to remain clean a day at a time..I can truly identify with how painful it is for you it is why I could suggest Nar-Anon for you.Some of us become sicker than our addicts with worry,fear,misinformation and the likes..As an addict I wore both hats but still found much help working my own process of recovery and giving back to both programs while really learning to 'Detach with Love' an almost ridiculous scenario for a parent or sibling or friend.WE help the most by allowing the addict to find the road to recovery as we set our guidelines ,adhere to them and learn to live our own lives..Probably not what you want to hear,but this is based on my own evidence and ESH..My best friend also an addict was always protected by his parents and ended taking his own life as he had no ability to cope with anything as he never experienced the opportunity.I have never fully recovered from his loss but I am more aware today than before...An addict will usually  only seek recovery when they are DONE...Nar-Anon will help you find the things that help and the things that don't when in these situations..I will lift you up in prayer and support and can remember back to my wife and I crying ourselves to sleep at night so we could mentally recover from our trials and my sons. Some of the most relieving times we had was when he was arrested and in Jail...Remember there is always HOPE,it is what NA is about and a promise of freedom from active addiction,but it takes work on a daily basis..Help yourself and you will help your sister,I truly believe that..My son is in his 4th year of recovery,he is living a responsible life and our relationship is is a true blessing from the God of our understanding.Trust and respect has to be earned and each day we are finding the bridge bringing us closer.WE have always had unconditonal love for him,but we had to let him go so he didn;t die.I know this from my own experience .Didnt mean for such a long diatribe but this is a situation close to my heart and I can feel your pain..Others will be on to offer their experience,strength and hope..Let us know how you are doing ...Have a blessed and productive day...



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Good evening and blessings!

About Nar-Anon,,WE all have to make progress in our own way and our own time.There will be hard core"turn your back completely" folks,(tough love) and there will be those who are just learning that their enabling behaviors are more harmful then helpful to an addict and those in between You can listen to learn and share as you can,based on my own evidence I took what I needed and left the rest until I was ready ...As WE say in our program Narcotics Anonymous, some are sicker than others..WE ,in our family have a very strong faith and it has been our glue not only in our sons situation but in all things we face..WE set guidelines in our home and when they were crossed we prayed and  had to put our son on the street ,90lbs,with a $150.00 per day jones,robbing us blind and doing what addicts do to get the next one.WE were crushed,I was on the edge,but it was our faith that held us together...We still enabled somewhat by buying him food now and again and offering him a ride if he wanted to make a program..Years later WE both know it was the decision that helped him save his own life.....It was the hardest thing,including my own years on the roads in illness to do...........WE carry a message of Hope,not the addict....WE only suggest what has worked for us and what hasn't...He was arrested and began his long road to recovery after many more relapses ,overdoses,jail terms and  close to death..(anaphalactic shock)....It is important to not do too much projections of the what ifs and will this happen etc..WE live for today,its all we got ,One day at a time......  ......Again I will lift you and your family in prayer,,,take care of yourself,love the addict hate the disease....In support and prayer....



-- Edited by MIKEF on Friday 13th of September 2013 09:30:29 PM

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Thank you so much for your reply, Mike. I'm sorry for everything that you have been going through, and I can only imagine how heartbreaking it must have been to watch your son be consumed by an illness like that, especially with first-hand knowledge of how devastating it can be. It helps a lot to hear that you are both recovering, and gives me hope about my sister's future.
I guess I'm just fishing for some way to feel less helpless, and I was curious to hear if recovering addicts really agreed that I'm providing MORE support by separating myself from her situation. As much as I don't like it, what you say makes sense, and I guess I will have to do my best to detach :( I have usually thought about "enabling" from financial or practical perspectives, but your response made me really consider the negative impact that I could be having by emotionally enabling her. My parents and I are all very guilty of making her lifestyle more comfortable in that way, mostly by avoiding the topic but sometimes I think I help her rationalize her own behavior. I will definitely look for Nar-Anon meetings in my area...though the level of detachment that they promote seem so extreme to me.
She's so smart. She's clever and beautiful and an insanely fast-learner. It hurts so much to realize that this is the same person I shared a bedroom with while growing up--every time things seem like they might be headed in a positive direction, I get a phone call that something horrible has happened.
For a while she was using my identity when getting pulled over for speeding tickets because she had a warrant out for her arrest. She got four tickets (and I knew about them) before I finally called the police station and my parents dragged her in to explain what she had done. She's on probation for a felony drug conviction, and the judge (who was lenient) made it very clear that if she returns to his courtroom for violating probation that she will be serving the maximum sentence for her previous crimes. TEN YEARS! It's hard to convince myself that she deserves that kind of punishment when all I get for ignoring it is some points on my driver's license. Part of me wants to contact her probation officer and explain how she consistently passes drug tests, but the selfish part of me worries about losing her for so long.
Nonetheless, a funeral would be infinitely worse. :(
Thank you so much for your response. I will definitely find a Nar-Anon meeting. Hearing your supportive and sympathetic response was more relieving than I expected--thank you so much!! Hopefully someday this will all just be a bad memory...
I am truly sorry for all of the pain that you've suffered, and I will pray for you and your family's success, happiness and peace in the future.
Sincerely, Danielle


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Unfortunately there is no "one size fits all" solution.
In the rooms we talk about the 'gift of desperation' That means that
we are so miserable that we truly want to get off and stay off drugs.
That 'rock bottom' different for everyone.
Sometimes a visit to the jail house is enough sometimes not.
I would encourage you to revisit nar anon al/anon...you will absolutely find people who have
asked themselves the same questions you are

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Thank you, avid. I hope that her trip to the jailhouse has some positive impact. It isn't her first trip there, but it is the first time my parents have decided not to bail her out. I wish there were an objective "solution" or a handbook with a guarantee! I will keep the "gift of desperation" in mind...it's just hard imagining not having a relationship with my sister or thinking about her living on the streets! One day at a time...

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Eureka, My name is Fay and like ur sister I am a heroin addict. I only have 39 days clean and 33 of that was in a rehab. However with the help of other addicts with much more time in recovery I have realized that the way I was living isn't for me anymore and one day your sister may too. I believe your best way to help her is to back off but still be supportive. Also you may want to call and speak with her probation officer because that is the one person who can possibly convince the judge to get her into the treatment she needs. After that its up to her whether or not to continue on her own with staying clean and getting her life together. Either way I wish your sister, you and your family the best.

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