I am an addict named Mike.. Thanks for sharing.............. Definitely much discussion here and there on this position.Your position is clear and thanks for your work in the field.My 27 year old son now a recovering heroin addict(after 7 long years of active use) has been on both therapies Subs and the juice(140mg's daily) he has to desire to not use... Peace man.................Bulletin #29 im sure you are familiar with Worlds view.....
WORLD SERVICE BOARD OF TRUSTEES BULLETIN #29
Regarding Methadone and Other Drug Replacement Programs
This bulletin was written by the World Service Board of Trustees in 1996. It represents the views of the board at the time of writing.
Not all of us come to our first NA meeting drug free. Some of us were uncertain about whether recovery was possible for us and initially came to meetings while still using.
Others came to their first meetings on drug replacement programs such as methadone and found it frightening to consider becoming abstinent.
One of the first things we heard was that NA is a program of complete abstinence and "The only requirement for membership is the desire to stop using." Some of us, upon hearing these statements, may have felt that we were not welcome at NA meetings until we were clean. But NA members reassured us that this was not the case and we were encouraged to "keep coming back." We were told that through listening to the experience, strength, and hope of other recovering addicts that we too could find freedom from active addiction if we did what they did.
Many of our members, however, have expressed concern about individuals on drug replacement programs. Questions come up regarding such individuals' membership status, ability to share at meetings, lead meetings, or become trusted servants on any level. "Are these members clean?" they ask. "Can one really be a 'member' and still be using?"
Perhaps by answering the most important question firstthe issue of membershipwe can establish a context by which to approach this issue. Tradition Three says that the only requirement for NA membership is a desire to stop using. There are no exceptions to this. Desire itself establishes membership; nothing else matters, not even abstinence. It is up to the individual, no one else, to determine membership. Therefore, someone who is using and who has a desire to stop using, can be a member of NA.
Members on drug replacement programs such as methadone are encouraged to attend NA meetings. But, this raises the question: "Does NA have the right to limit members participation in meetings?" We believe so. While some groups choose to allow such members to share, it is also a common practice for NA groups to encourage these members (or any other addict who is still using), to participate only by listening and by talking with members after the meeting or during the break. This is not meant to alienate or embarrass; this is meant only to preserve an atmosphere of recovery in our meetings. Our Fifth Tradition defines our groups' purpose: to carry the message that any addict can stop using and find a new way to live. We carry that message at our recovery meetings, where those who have some experience with NA recovery can share about it, and those who need to hear about NA recovery can listen. When an individual under the influence of a drug attempts to speak on recovery in Narcotics Anonymous, it is our experience that a mixed, or confused message may be given to a newcomer (or any member, for that matter) For this reason, many groups believe it is inappropriate for these members to share at meetings of Narcotics Anonymous.
It may be argued that a group's autonomy, as described in our Fourth Tradition, allows them to decide who may share at their meetings. However, while this is true, we believe that group autonomy does not justify allowing someone who is using to lead a meeting, be a speaker, or serve as a trusted servant. Group autonomy stands only until it affects other groups or NA as a whole. We believe it affects other groups and NA as a whole when we allow members who are not clean to be a speaker, chair a meeting, or be a trusted servant for NA.
Many groups have developed guidelines to ensure that an atmosphere of recovery is maintained in their meetings. The following points are usually included:
Suggesting that those who have used any drug within the last twenty-four hours refrain from sharing, but encouraging them to get together with members during the break or after the meeting.
Abiding by our fellowship's suggested clean time requirements for service positions.
Seeking meeting leaders, chairpersons, or speakers who help further our primary purpose of carrying the message to the addict who still suffers.
We make a distinction between drugs used by drug replacement programs and other prescribed drugs because such drugs are prescribed specifically as addiction treatment. Our program approaches recovery from addiction through abstinence, cautioning against the substitution of one drug for another. That's our program; it's what we offer the addict who still suffers. However, we have absolutely no opinion on methadone maintenance or any other program aimed at treating addiction. Our only purpose in addressing drug replacement and its use by our members is to define abstinence for ourselves. Our fellowship must be mindful of what kind of message we are carrying if a still-using addict leads a meeting, or becomes a trusted servant. We believe that under these circumstances we would not be carrying the Narcotics Anonymous message of recovery. Permissiveness in this area is not consistent with our traditions. We believe our position on this issue reinforces our recovery, protects our meetings, and supports addicts in striving for total abstinence.
Note: This bulletin addresses the use of methadone maintenance as a drug replacement strategy. It is not addressing the medicinal use of methadone as a pain killer. We encourage those who have concerns about the use of methadone in pain management to refer to Narcotics Anonymous pamphlet, In Times of Illness.
-- Edited by MIKEF on Wednesday 14th of August 2013 02:59:35 PM
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First, my clean date is 3/15/83. Second, I work in treatment, and refer heroin addicts for suboxone treatment. I am a happy addict who believes in traditions, not opinions. Since the only requirement for membership is a desire to stop using, I would think everyone would agree that an addict who enters replacement therapy, replacing scramble with suboxone, has a desire to stop using. Thusly, anyone who comes to an NA meeting who is on suboxone, is just as much a member as anyone.
HI and welcome to MIP
Interesting first post.
there is no controversy regarding membership.
If someone has a desire to stop using then they are members. It's that simple.
I know of several people who tried and failed many times to get off herioin and couldn't
untill they were prescribed suboxone. It has changed their lives.
Just as aside, I find the term 'drug replacement therapy" a curuious bit of hype.
Giving someone a legally prescribed addictive narcotic and calling it "replacement" for
their preferred, and often times legally prescribed addictive narcotic, seems a bit
slick to me. It's not a 'replacement', its a substitution.
Again, this does not disqualify someone from NA membership, and like I said, I personally know of people
who have had tremendous life improvements due to suboxone treatment,
but let's be honest about it and call a drug a drug. They may have a desire to stop using,
but clearly they are still using.
First Welcome to MIP. My name's Mike, I'm a grateful Recovering Addict Clean by the Grace of my Higher Power whom I choose to call God by the Power of NA since 11/27/80.
Is there an actual problem or situation you're looking to address or just general discussion of the issue? Regardless I believe MikeF's reply sums it up quite nicely.
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My name is Raman and Im a clean and serene addict and NA member.
"Harm reduction" is a less understood practice in NA circles. Many of us got clean when immediate and total abstinence was the only requirement. Then came the harm reduction therapies that relied on methodone, suboxone etc. And what that's done is turned our understanding of "clean" upside down.
Years before there was controversy regarding nicotine, coffee and sugar. NAWS came up with a paper called "What is addiction ?". Mentioned therein was certain criteria like did the use of coffee, nicotine and cake make our lives as unmanageable as with heroin, alcohol, grass etc.etc. ?
And the post by Mike.F resolves any conflict that arises from any radicalizations that may occur in the course of "group conscience" routines.
Im seeing firsthand how those on methodone and sub are being discriminated......are those that did cold turkey being jealous that thay had to go the very difficult route in order to et what NA offered ? Its as cruel as telling an addict with mental problems to get off anti-depressants, bi-polar meds etc..... Next we will be telling recovering people with heart and kidney problems, arthritis etc. to get off meds or else they cant call themselves clean !
Are we contravening Tradition 10 by taking strong stand like these ? Like harm reduction, mental illness meds and illness support ?
We are certain to drive away countless addicts that need recovery.... and in the meanwhile.... whats to become of us that are already in the classrooms ?
-- Edited by Raman on Saturday 17th of August 2013 04:22:05 AM
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Raman an addict clean and serene just for today in NA Worldwide ; live to love and love to live the NA Way !!!
Hey all, new member here and 1st post. I've got 34 days clean today. I agree that to become a member all you need is a desire to stop using, whether you are on Subs or methadone. I was one of those. Came into the rooms about 5 years ago taking suboxone to get off oxy, and it did change my life and help me get off the oxys, but after 4 years of that, running through 2 prescriptions for it and then having to buy it off the streets, i found myself in the same boat as before. I lost contact with everyone i knew in the rooms because i thought i was cured. Wrong. I strongly encourage people who are on suboxone or methadone to get off of it as soon as you feel ready. I wish i had done it many years ago because it did the same thing to me as the oxys did. Made me spiritually vacant and alone. I do agree it is a wonder drug that changes lives, but it's just as easy to get lost in it.