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poi


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Doubting everything


I am having a bit of a crisis today and I inadvertently left my cell phone at home so I am posting this because all my numbers are in the phone and there is no meeting for me to get to soon.  I will have 63 days clean today, though I've been coming around NA since November (I've had 2 relapses - one for 47 days and one for 20).  Despite the fact that I am not using, I still seem to be losing more and more managability in my life.  Despite my best attempts to spend money wisely and despite the fact that I am no longer buying drugs, I still seem to be losing managability.  I can't pay bills, and I can't seem to get a grip on my poor habits of spending.  Also, my work performance is slipping worse than when I was using!  Focusing on recovery took work out of the primary spotlight and I don't really like my job, but after being retrained due to mistakes I was making I came out with total motivation to be great at what I do (and I used to be and I thought I was still capable).  Today some serious errors I made were discovered despite the fact that I was retrained and I have NO explaination for my oversights except for the fact that my brain must be defective now.  In fact, I was actually performing better during active use.  Also I've had nagging doubts about my belonging to NA.  I didn't do the HARD drugs, but mostly ephedrine and weed (though I've misused other drugs and alcohol).  It was a bit out of control, but I don't know if I'm in the right place or if I'm even doing the right thing....clearly it's not really working for me....so maybe this isn't it?  Sometimes I wonder if other NA people who have worse war stories think I'm dumb for being there and that I'm just in the wrong place...or I'm trying to associate where I don't belong...I don't know.  So many doubts today and this is really making me want to check out, in every sense of that phrase.  Any thoughts are welcome.  Feel free to call me out on anything too....I'm in a funk of confusion right now and clarity may help me get myself in line....or if you think I don't belong here I can take that too.

 



-- Edited by poi on Thursday 28th of June 2012 11:21:15 AM

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Hello Mike and welcome to MIP!

THE TRUE BLESSING IS 63 DAYS CLEAN,CONGRATULATIONS,ANY DAY CLEAN FOR AN ADDICT IS A MIRACLE! Relapse is not the shame,WE are addicts and it is part of some peoples story,the shame is not making it back,and yet here you are,another step forward.WE have a program NA,that allows us recovery,a day at a time following some guidelines of our program and suggestions from our fellowship and literature.We  begin the healing by putting down the substance,make meetings,share if we can,listen for a sponsor and get into our solution,THE steps, WORKED WITH A SPONSOR AND THE APPLICATION OF THE SPIRITUAL PRINCIPLES IN THE ATTITUDES AND BEHAVIORS OF OUR LIVES.We are(were) in the grip of a progressive and powerful illness that can never be cured but can be arrested while we work on our real illness"addiction" the physical ,mental and spiritual allergy that affects all areas of our lives.Our disease is a liar and though you may think you functioned better while using,I would suggest that that is a mirage.It is really not about what drugs you used,we are addicts not because of the drugs we used but how we react to them..It is natural early on to "compare" and not identify with others "war stories..There is only one requirement for membership in NA and that is the desire to stop using(drugs)some are sicker than others but we all end up in the same place eventually some just may arrive quicker.You can come in from the storm and enter life' FREE OF ACTIVE ADDICTION ,but its no magic bullet,takes some work and some honesty and willingness.Your here so looks like you are reaching out..Keep coming back.You find yourself powerless over your addiction(use when you don't want to,obsessed and com pulsed over using,your life unmanageable.Welcome,make an admission,surrender and acceptance that you are an addict(only you know that for sure) and begin the journey.We are here for each other,to reach out in a loving and caring manner,no judgement just one addict holding a hand out to another...Here grab mine,c'mon in....Hope to here more from ya!!!smile



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Mike,, hi and welcome.... my name is Raman and I am an addict !
youre making a big mistake here; the only requirement for membership is a desire to stop using (Tradition 3).
It dosent matter, what or how much you used.

Most of us here admit we were powerless over addiction and that our lives have become unmanageable !
And each group has one primary purpose; to carry the message, that an addict, any addict can stop using, lose the desire to use and find a new way to live.
If you are an addict that suffers, then you are in the right place....and at the right time too.
One is too many and a thousand never enough.... The addiction route usually ends in jails, institutions and death....

And on the premise that you havent read this pamphlet, i share this with you.

Ip no.7; Am I an addict ?

Am I an Addict?

Only you can answer this question.

This may not be an easy thing to do. All through our usage, we told ourselves, I can handle
it. Even if this was true in the beginning, it is not so now. The drugs handled us. We lived to
use and used to live. Very simply, an addict is a person whose life is controlled by drugs.

Perhaps you admit you have a problem with drugs, but you dont consider yourself an addict.
All of us have preconceived ideas about what an addict is. There is nothing shameful about being
an addict once you begin to take positive action. If you can identify with our problems, you may
be able to identify with our solution. The following questions were written by recovering addicts
in Narcotics Anonymous. If you have doubts about whether or not youre an addict, take a few
moments to read the questions below and answer them as honestly as you can.

1. Do you ever use alone? Yes . No .
2. Have you ever substituted one drug for another, thinking that
one particular drug was the problem? Yes . No .
3. Have you ever manipulated or lied to a doctor
to obtain prescription drugs? Yes . No .
4. Have you ever stolen drugs or stolen to obtain drugs? Yes . No .
5. Do you regularly use a drug when you wake up or when you go to bed? Yes . No .
6. Have you ever taken one drug to overcome the effects of another? Yes . No .
7. Do you avoid people or places that do not approve of you using drugs? Yes . No .
8. Have you ever used a drug without knowing what it was.
or what it would do to you? Yes . No .
9. Has your job or school performance ever suffered
from the effects of your drug use? Yes . No .
10. Have you ever been arrested as a result of using drugs? Yes . No .
11. Have you ever lied about what or how much you use? Yes . No .
12. Do you put the purchase of drugs ahead of
your financial responsibilities? Yes . No .
13. Have you ever tried to stop or control your using? Yes . No .
14. Have you ever been in a jail, hospital,
or drug rehabilitation center because of your using? Yes . No .
15. Does using interfere with your sleeping or eating? Yes . No .
16. Does the thought of running out of drugs terrify you? Yes . No .
17. Do you feel it is impossible for you to live without drugs? Yes . No .
18. Do you ever question your own sanity? Yes . No .
19. Is your drug use making life at home unhappy? Yes . No .
20. Have you ever thought you couldnt fit in or have a good time
without drugs? Yes . No .
21. Have you ever felt defensive, guilty, or ashamed about your using? Yes . No .
22. Do you think a lot about drugs? Yes . No .
23. Have you had irrational or indefinable fears? Yes . No .
24. Has using affected your sexual relationships? Yes . No .
25. Have you ever taken drugs you didnt prefer? Yes . No .
26. Have you ever used drugs because of emotional pain or stress? Yes . No .
27. Have you ever overdosed on any drugs? Yes . No .
28. Do you continue to use despite negative consequences? Yes . No .
29. Do you think you might have a drug problem? Yes . No .

Am I an addict? This is a question only you can answer. We found that we all answered
different numbers of these questions Yes. The actual number of Yes responses wasnt as
important as how we felt inside and how addiction had affected our lives.

Some of these questions dont even mention drugs. This is because addiction is an insidious
disease that affects all areas of our liveseven those areas which seem at first to have little to do
with drugs. The different drugs we used were not as important as why we used them and what
they did to us.

When we first read these questions, it was frightening for us to think we might be addicts.

Some of us tried to dismiss these thoughts by saying:

Oh, those questions dont make sense;

Or,

Im different. I know I take drugs, but Im not an addict. I have real emotional/family/job

problems;

Or,

Im just having a tough time getting it together right now;

Or,

Ill be able to stop when I find the right person/get the right job, etc.

If you are an addict, you must first admit that you have a problem with drugs before any

progress can be made toward recovery. These questions, when honestly approached, may help
to show you how using drugs has made your life unmanageable. Addiction is a disease which,
without recovery, ends in jails, institutions, and death. Many of us came to Narcotics
Anonymous because drugs had stopped doing what we needed them to do. Addiction takes
our pride, self-esteem, family, loved ones, and even our desire to live. If you have not reached
this point in your addiction, you dont have to. We have found that our own private hell was
within us. If you want help, you can find it in the Fellowship of Narcotics Anonymous.


We were searching for an answer when we reached out and found Narcotics Anonymous.
We came to our first NA meeting in defeat and didnt know what to expect. After sitting in a
meeting, or several meetings, we began to feel that people cared and were willing to help.
Although our minds told us that we would never make it, the people in the fellowship gave us
hope by insisting that we could recover. [] Surrounded by fellow addicts, we realized that we
were not alone anymore. Recovery is what happens in our meetings. Our lives are at stake. We
found that by putting recovery first, the program works. We faced three disturbing realizations:

1.
We are powerless over addiction and our lives are unmanageable;
2.
Although we are not responsible for our disease, we are responsible for our recovery;
3.
We can no longer blame people, places, and things for our addiction. We must face our
problems and our feelings.
1

The ultimate weapon for recovery is the recovering addict.

1 Basic Text, Narcotics Anonymous


(This is NA Fellowship-approved literature.
Copyright © 1983, 1988 by
Narcotics Anonymous World Services, Inc.
All rights reserved. )


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I hear your confusion and pain.
I think you need to slow down. Take a deep breath.
I want to dispel the notion that only hard drug users are damaged enough to need NA.
I had a sponsee once ask me "do you think marijuana is a gateway drug?
I said "no, marijuana IS a drug"
It's not what we used, but why we use and how the drugs affect us that separates we addicts from the regular folks out there.
Your work performance being worse that when you were using is no surprise. Using is your normal state...now you are in an abnormal
state. but the head does clear, the nerves do settle, and life gets better.
"We did not become addicted in one day so remember easy does it.
thanks for sharing.


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Like others have said, only you can decide whether you're an addict. Our program makes no distinction between drugs: whether your drug is pot, heroin, alcohol, crack, or meth, the effect is the same. As addicts, we using complusively, again and again, even when we don't want to, and we use obsessively, thinking about drugs all the time. My main drugs were pot and alcohol when I came to NA, and I did not have as many war stories as people who did "harder" drugs, like heroin and cocaine. But I soon learned that we were all in the same boat.

The fact that you seem to have been able to manage your life better while doing drugs says to me that you had adapted to your drug habit. Now that you are trying to stay clean, this is a major change for you that has upset things. But I promise you, things will get better if you stay clean. At one time I thought that I was able to write or play music better while stoned, but that was just BS.

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poi,all of those habits other than you quiting the drugs are like luxury problems.That 63 days clean is the first most important thing in your recovery.Spending habit are also an addiction,they will change in time,keep trying,in your recovery cleantime ,the other changes will come in time.

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I would like to thank everyone who responded. I am doing much better in my head this week and have realized that much of what goes on during times of doubt is actually my addiction trying to win me back. I took an honest look at the "Am I an Addict" post. I answered 25 questions definately YES, 2 questions definately NO, and 2 questions were "on the line". It was a good exercise for me to do in admitting I am powerless over my addiction. And yes, I didn't use the "hard" drugs, but I was warned by every pharmacist in town about my abuse of ephedrine (they all knew me and I maxed out my limits everywhere). It was everyday and out of control - and getting worse. Mix that with other drugs daily like weed and the "synthetics" and no wonder I am still cloudy. Really, my not using the hard stuff was less about preference and more about lack of access. It was only a matter of time. After losing my marriage, going bankrupt, and being hospitalized as a direct result of my using (my behavior was so erratic that I was intervened upon and admitted to a psych ward), I think it's safe to say my life had become unmanagable. I stayed clean through the doubt (unlike other times) and I am grateful to have 67 days today. I will keep coming back.

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Also forgot to mention that my poor spending habits, among other things, seem to be a manifestation of my addiction in other areas of my life.  I may have stopped using, but the disease was still there, and jumped into other areas while I wasn't suspecting it.  At least I think that's what might be going on.  As far as my job, it is true that I don't like it...so I let laziness slip in...which is why my mistakes happen.  Perhaps the result of not working a tight program.  Either way I am going to attempt to learn and grow from this instead of forgetting and falling into the same trap over and over.  Thanks again everyone, and peace.



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Keep reading make sure to read the whole book but the chapter i loved the most is " Relapse and  recovery" , the part where its says " relapse is a sign we have a reservation in our recopvery" really struck me and made me take a very close look at my recovery and what wasn't I willing to do, i was a chronic relapser for many years.

 

The lack of willingness meant for me a lack of desperation, for me It meant I hadn't hit bottom.

When you hit bottom your willing to do anything suggested by this program and the people who are there to help, it means working the steps, being honest, open minded to the program and having some faith in whats being offered as a way to recover not just to stop using but to make changes in our personalitys, behaviors, thinking and to eventually  have a spiritual awakening.

We relapse when we're unwilling, this is a 3 fold disease and knowing what that is is a tool in our recovery, its mental, physical and spiritual sickness. Obsession and compulsion , obsession to use and once we use the compulsion to keep using and we're unable to stop until brought back down to our knees in desperation, only to fall once again later unless we have the spiritual awakening which removes the obsession.

Another line in that chapter " repalse can be the destructive force that kills us OR leads us to the realization of who and what we really are.

I realized one day after many relapses and after one period clean for 5 years that I was absolutely undoubtedly HOPELESS, i had no power in my life that would help me remain clean and I had to find some kind of power, I would walk in the rooms with all these people who were clean and say to myself " TODAY THESE PEOPLE ARE MY POWER", and thats how i started later I found a God thats helped me when men could not, and that day may come too.

Hope you stay with us and keep coming back,,,



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poi


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Hi, and thank you. After my last relapse I realized that I really need this program, and that I am powerless. I wrote all about it in my journal. The problems start when I don't constantly reflect on that time and those journal entries. I tend to have euphoric recall, where I forget the bad and remember only the "good" about using (which ironically didn't much exist anymore), which my disease uses against me at critical times. Divorce, bankruptcy...if I go back out now I have to be honest about the fact that if the drugs don't kill me...suicide will. In both cases my addiction is the root cause. I feel that I did hit my rock bottom, but just a few months out my disease can still be cunning and baffling with me. I shared about that at a meeting last night. Thank you so much for sharing as well - my sharing here and your shares with me have prevented whatever chances were there for me to go back out. For that I can easily say you are all saving my life. Thank you!!

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Hi Mike, welcome home.

Our disease is deadly, cunning and baffling. It never leaves me. My disease will always want to bring me down, always for the rest of my life. Yet One Day at a Time Recovery is possible. Keep coming back, here and most importantly live face to face NA Meetings.

We didn't become addicted in one day, likewise we don't learn to Live Life on life's terms Clean in a day or month or years. It's an ongoing life long growing process, A Journey. Give yourself a break and Easy Does It!

If YOU are Clean today YOU Win! You are a Winner.



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In the first few months some times up to a year, we have poor prefomance at work, get into car accidents, forget things easily and many more things. It takes time for our brain and nerves to heal and work normally. Rushes of adrenaline can cause paralyzing anxiety. Be patient and trust the process.

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