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Post Info TOPIC: Get it over with Bruce.


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Get it over with Bruce.


The end of that act Bruce.
Youve seen the whole of this forum, to a man/ woman disagree with you.

Yes I dis-agree to,,, with the ways you adopt to address issues.

"Every addict in the world has the chance to experience our message in his or her own language and culture and find the opportunity for a new way of life"
(Vision statement).

The culture here in this Forum, as Ive understood and experienced is that we are not involved in these controversies.
 
First of all, the clarity statement is not read out here, so it is basically a non-issue as far as we here are concerned.

Secondly, we have had many discussions in the past, sometimes concerning personal recovery and at others things that affected our common welfare and freedom.
Each of those discussions followed the serene path. Each stated  his/her own viewpoint without trying to bully others into accpetance and what you are doing is trying to bulldoze others opinions, therefore you are the one infringing on personal freedom. 

Thirdly Ive never read these weird personal attacks happening here before you.
What are you trying to do ?
Build up your very low self-esteem by pulling down others and browbeating them into thinking like you do ?
Once again, evidence that you are the violent purist.

We ( and I speak on behalf of members) are not interested in what you say anymore.
You have proved that clean time isnt necessarily equesl to recovery, if indeed you have been staying clean !!!

So pack up and get off , or stay here and be a sharer rather than rying to teach, mainpulate, aggrevate etc.


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GREATER SAN JOSE AREA

NARCOTIC:S ANONYMOUS NEWCOMERS WORKSHOP

.Total Abstinence -As defined by NA

(Reference last paragraph of How It Works; Could also use Bulletin "Regarding Methadone an Other Drug

Replacement Programs")

Clarity Statement -.READ:

At NA meetin~Js we introduce ourselves as addicts. ""'hen our

members idenltify themselves as "addicts and alcohc.lics" or talk

about living "c;lean and sober" the clarity of NA messťage is blurred.

To speak in thlis manner suggests that there are two diseases, that

somehow one drug is separate from the rest, requiring special

recognition. Our identification as ADDICTS is all inclusive referring to

the disease of: addiction, allowing us to concentrate on our

similarities not our differences.

(Have someone read; Reference 1st and 5th Traditions; Reference What is the NA Program)Newcomers: NA meetings will ask if there are any newcomers in their first thirty days of

clean time (explairl)

7th Tradition (explain)(Reference What's the Basket For? IP)

Sgeaking _/ Sharing, at NA Meetings

.Sharing at meetin~~s (explain) -READ:In NA meetings we share in a general way our life experience. We

deal with every aspect of our addiction, not just it's most obvious

symptom: our uncontrollable drug use. The aspects of our disease

are numerous. By practicing this program, we each c:liscover the

ways in which our addiction affects us personally. Regardless of the

individual effects of addiction on our lives, all of us share some

common chariacteristics although we may have used different

substances. Our primary purpose is to carry the me~)sage to the still

suffering addict. That one purpose, clear and powerlful, stands alone

in our collecti1ve consciousness as the only thing that really matters.

With that, all is possible, and miracles happen.

(Have someone read; Reference 5th Tradition)11/21/022 of4

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Guru

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Check out the last line,,,,,


"Disruptive Behavior  -Violence both verbal and physical will not be tolerated""GREATER SAN JOSE AREANARCOTIC:S ANONYMOUS NEWCOMERS WORKSHOPBEHAVIOR STATEt\I1ENT (Tradition 4 page 155 It Works How and Why) -READ:

It's also impol"tant to consider how we're viewed by society. When

NA meetings 1first began in many places, it was illegal for addicts to

meet under any circumstances. Even where meetings are legal, the

public often views groups of addicts with alarm. Until NA has

established a good public reputation, it may be difficult for addicts to

find meeting ~)Iaces. If our behavior as NA members is still

destructive al1ld selfish, we will once again have difficulty meeting

openly. We hl~lp protect our reputation as a fellowship when we use

our meeting facilities with respect, keeping them clean and in good

repair. We should take care to act like good neighbors, conducting

ourselves reslpectfully...lf the public reputation of Narcotics

Anonymous i!) somehow impaired, addicts may die.

(Have someone read; Provide examples)Things not to do in an NA meeting (explain do's and don'ts)(Basically everything that has been done in this workshop)~ Cross talk

~ Disruptive Behavior (explain) -Violence both verbal and physical will not be tolerated



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as you said spot on

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 some of us win some of us lose with god and this program i will  be a winner


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Raman wrote:

... will not be tolerated




 So is "intolerance" a new principle we need to adopt as a fellowship?



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Guru

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duhhhhh,,, where ???

-- Edited by Raman on Tuesday 8th of June 2010 06:45:29 AM

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