At NA meetings we introduce ourselves as addicts. When our members identify themselves as “addicts and alcoholics” or talk about living “clean and sober,” the clarity of the NA message is blurred. To speak in this manner suggests there are two diseases, that somehow one drug is separate from the rest, requiring special recognition. Our identification as Addicts is all-inclusive, allowing us to concentrate on our similarities not our differences.
-- Edited by dalin at 12:50, 2006-11-06
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dalin a unity means oneity...one god, one fellowship,one sponsor,one program...many gifts
Hi Dalin and friends, The clarity statement was a big deal here a few years ago. Addicts tend to come from treatments centers having been taught that 12 step programs are interchangeable. The experience in our area is that because this program works because of identification, it is not a good idea to tell addicts they do not belong in NA meetings by criticizing the language they have been taught to use. We might not be saying leave in so many words, but we need to watch what our actions imply.
We started having people say screw NA, I do not feel welcome here because I have all these people criticizing me because I say sober (or whatever other non "NA" approved words). Our area stopped reading the clarity statement. Instead we opt for a quiet moment of individual explaination outside of the meeting with people who are using the word sober or whatever, explaining to them in a private and non-threatening manner that the word addiction includes it all. NA is growing slowly enough without running addicts out of the rooms because we cannot be tolerant of them until they learn how NA works. If they hang out with us long enough, listen to the readings, read the basic text, etc, they will start using words as we do. It is a natural part of humanity to want to fit in...and it works in this arena too.
my....I guess 4 cents worth this time... Lon
-- Edited by Lon at 23:07, 2006-11-06
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i can see where it has its pros an cons.i know that in toronto,we dont get alot of treatment talk.i know that it was bad at some o the recovery clubhouses i have been in in the past.
i do agree that it can be tricky for newcomers.we try to lead by example as much as posible.any one i sponsor i get to understand what being an na member means,and how my sponsor got me to understand the third tradition in the basic text.
but i do understand the reasoning behind it.if you where like me back in the 90's,im sure you remeber alot o the drama that came with being an na only member.it was about unity.
but we all have our place in the fellowship,and our experiance.and unity means we all belong in this thing called na,no matter where we come from
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Yeah,,, i had to go thru a five year AA period as there were no NA meetings !!
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In that time i faced the issue of rejection at AA cause they did not want to hear about any addiction other than alcohol and how they can help !!
anyways i gave back in the form of Service to them,,, and in the meanwhile had strong bonds with NA members all over the earth via the Meeting by mail of the Loner Group!!
In tha period i had the good fortune of NA members visiting this city and meeting me and sharing their ESH with me !!!
another issue i had to face was lack of a sponsor who is an addict !!
I ran thru a few AA members and they did a sponsorship of sorts,,, but nothing satisfying !!
I am however very greatful to especially four of em old timers in AA who stood by me,,,,they are the ones that didnt call me sad,mad,bad, etc,,,they just said one evening to me==
"LOOK FORGET ALL THIS OTHER STUFF AND RESENTMENTS,,,AS LONG AS YOU HAVE A DESIRE TO BE SOBER JUST KEEP COMING BACK,,, MORE SO WHEN THE DESIRE ISNT STRONG !!!"
That was a great message to hear !!
But ,,,you know i wanted to be i a room full of people and say
My name is Raman and I am a addict !!!and hear them calll themselves addicts too !!!
I also had great luck to have other addicts settle in AA,,,,
Then few of us who saw addicts go out back and use cause they couldnt identify with the alcoholic in AA tried and tried and then we had real live NA meetings here,,, hurray !!
That was a real dream come tru for us addicts,,,
Then came the the issue of the migration of the message from AA to NA,,,,
I ran into heavy flak when i held onto the position that NA is a seperate and distinct Fellowship tho the Steps may have been adapted from AA..
I especially resented those AA members who would sit in their drawing rooms and remote control how NA should be run,,, especially thru their sponsees who were addicts and now recovering in NA!!!
Well now many years later ,,, after getin to a level of many meetings a week, an ASC,,,,,
many recovering addicts,,, many Conventions,A regional convention and a Worldwide Workshop later,,,there seems to be more clarity !
However tho many of us use NA members as sponsors,, there ae those who still prefer to have an AA member as sponsor,, this is their choice but i feel they deny the hearbeat of NA,,,
one addict helping another !
But allow me to state that this sense of freedom and independance has come after a lot of trouble,acrimony and confused opinions in the name of Concience,,,thereby we were sometimes on the verge of negating the5th Tradition of NA !!!!
The Bright Part now is that we are really a seperate and distinct Fellowship and have many members with substantial clean time,,,
we have a steady flow of newcomers too,,, many of em stay around and enjoy freedom from active addictin and their numbers is increasing !!!
But i dare say the real issue here now is this interference and control attempts by treatment centres,,, especially when trusted servenats of NA are also treatment centre owners,workers etc !!!
also how the 13thStepping by a few misguided members has ensured very few women recovering addicts !!
weve had troubles ther too,,, but now that seems to be a thing of the past !
We however have none identifying temselves now as addicts and alcoholics !!!
Im proud to be an NA member !!!
I live to Love and Love to Live the NA WAY !!!
-- Edited by Raman at 14:48, 2006-11-07
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Raman an addict clean and serene just for today in NA Worldwide ; live to love and love to live the NA Way !!!
Having been an AA member for many years until recently joining NA I see a huge difference, and I like this better, for me I needed translation to have more depth NA does that.
Most AA people here , where I went to meetings accepted my dual addiction, most had done drugs themselves anyhow most had tolerance when I brought up that I also did drugs so guess I was lucky there.
Dalin you will have to show me just what is meant by living “clean and sober,” the clarity of the NA message is blurred.
i'm not sure i understand just how this effects NA personally
I like websters decription of sober showing no excessive or extreme qualities of fancy, emotion, or prejudice
To me sober means Tranquility of the mind and actions, sober is like the opposite of insane LOL
the deal was that sober and sobriety are aa language.they were intoduced into na by well meaning tourists(those who play musical fellowships)i truly try not to play the dope fiend games i have seen alot of folks in na play.diferant words.same meaning.
i try to see the feelings behind the shares,but alot wont.
folks began using na oreinted stuff like clean and serene instead.
only two addicts in the text,jimmy k and bill brooks isentified themselves any diferantly.jimmy was an addict and alchoholic and bill was a junkie and a juicer.
but this was back in the days before politicaly corect na.
i feel that we all have the right to be here.
regardless.
we have a disease that doesnt care about language.it just wants us high.
thanks man
-- Edited by dalin at 19:20, 2006-11-07
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I was speaking at a history workshop, last week. I shared about what it was like in NA in the early 80's. Of course, to me, that wasn't that far off. After I finished my talk, I realized that there were a lot of things I used to talk about that I no longer share in my story. Today I talk primarily about the steps. I decided, on the ride home, to share with the fellowship about the early days for me. The period has fondly come to be known as "the purist movement".
I landed in my third treatment center on September 5th, 1981. It was there that I went to my first NA meeting and heard the message of recovery from the disease of addiction. Actually what i "heard" was that we were powerless over drugs and when we used them our lives became unmanageable.
The members of NA back then were going to one or two NA meetings a week and going to AA on nights when there was no NA. Our recovery was based on AA's focus of powerless-ness over alcohol (the symptom). We were instructed, by well meaning AA members, to change the word "alcohol" to the word "drugs". So that's what we did.
When I had four months clean, my drug councilor gave me and my running partner a starter kit for AA and said why don't you go start one of those meetings. So we did. It was more group therapy than 12 steps and I was the therapist, of course. I was the old timer. My buddy had the most clean time but he wasn't the talkative type.
I moved across the state when I had one year clean and began to go to local meetings. There was one meeting about 8 minutes from my house. It was called "junks and drunks". We were still substance oriented, back then. We started a second meeting on Wednesday nights at the same location. On Tuesday nights we sometimes drove to the beach, about forty minutes away. A Thursday night meeting had started in a treatment center forty-five minutes in the other direction. Friday night we met back at the beach.
On Saturday, we all went over the river to the area next door. Sunday was meeting in that area as well, at the hospital I worked in. This was the norm in NA, driving between thirty minutes to an hour for a meeting. We knew no other way. I was asked to speak at a meeting on a Wednesday night. The meeting was three hours away. We packed up the car with addicts and went, then turned around and drove home that same night.
We did know an easier, softer way. This was to go to the AA meetings. I went to the AA club house most every day at noon. I was working the evening shift at the treatment center and we had no noon NA meetings yet. I had just picked up my two year gold coin in AA and knew all their readings by heart. I never committed to serve in any capacity. For some reason it didn't seem right, alcohol was not my drug of choice. I was never asked to chair and that didn't seem to be a problem either. I was doing my service at the treatment center, with my sponsees, and at the NA meetings.
I got a call from my friend Larry. He was the guy that first taught me about NA service. He had called me a year before, when I lived across state, and had let me know what area service we were in. He suggested that we elected a group service representative. So I elected myself GSR. I was doing everything else. I was the PI committee, the H and I committee, the Literature Committee and the phone line was at my house. No ego here. I was also chairman of the GI committee... guilt and intimidation. It was my favorite position.
In February of 1982, Larry called and said that he was going to a convention and asked if I would like to go. I said,"Great, where is it?" And he said Georgia. Georgia! I proclaimed. And then, as I had with almost everything Larry suggested to me, I said, "OK." I knew, from passed experience, that wherever Larry went there would be a lot of great new NA friends and that we would be taken care of in style.
A group of us got together at a central location in the middle of the state and waited for Larry. He used to drive this beat up old grey van and wherever it went, it was chuck full of newcomers. Whenever he pulled up and opened the door, they would all come tumbling out like the clowns stuffed into the little Volkswagen at the circus. Larry's life was dedicated to carrying the message to the addict who still suffered. We called him "the old man" due to his older age (40 something) and his 9 plus years in NA . . . that was forever.
Larry showed up very late and at midnight we took off for our 9 hour drive to Atlanta. It was a harrowing drive, since Larry's steering wheel could be turned half way round and you would still be going straight down the road. Being a northerner and driving this unsafe vehicle into the deep south, in a rain storm, at 2 in the morning, was an act of sheer faith for me.
We arrived early in the morning on Friday and were too excited to go to sleep. It seemed that Larry knew all the movers and shakers in NA and proceeded to introduce us to them all. We met Bo from Atlanta, who was spearheading the World Literature Committees work on something called the Basic Text of Narcotics Anonymous. They had approval copies all over the place and everyone was reading it and talking it up.
I went to the opening meeting that night and a guy from Michigan got up and said, I don't know about much but I heard "work the Steps or die mother f+++er. Wow! I thought, nobody at home talks about the Steps. Of course, they didn't work the Steps, I didn't work the Steps and a lot of them looked up to me. They did what I did, talk good stuff about powerless-ness, acceptance and surrender but nothing about Steps. We really didn't have much on the Steps in NA back then. At the time, Step 3 was real cool.
The next thing that struck me was a guy from Georgia who got up and said,"What really excites me is that this is an NA convention with NA speakers", and the crowd applauded thunderously. This was a novel idea in Narcotics Anonymous in the early 80's. Most of our oldtimers, back then, had surrendered in AA or were going to both fellowships. We had no identity of our own. Maybe that's why we had so few meetings back then. Why go to the hassle of starting another meeting when there are plenty of good AA meetings everyday.
That was the other thing I was hearing about at GRSNA II, making a commitment to only go to NA meetings. I remember the Friday night speaker talking about letting the his local AA fellowship know that once they got seven meetings of NA a week, they wouldn't see him at there f+++in doorstep. There was something attractive about that radical stuff but "better safe than scary" was always my motto. I feared rejection something terrible, being a life long people pleaser.
The next thanksgiving, I went to the volunteer regional convention in Nashville, Tennessee. Larry met me there and introduced me to the local NA's. I remember thinking back to the convention in Georgia and how cool it was to see people speaking at the microphones. So, every chance I got, I would raise my hand and go to the podium to share my words of wisdom. I remember debating with the world "H and I" Chair and we didn't even have an "H and I" meeting were I lived.
On Sunday afternoon, when the convention was all but over, I was talking with this guy from Memphis named Joseph. He was a friend of Larry's and so he was family to me. He said,"You know, you must of spoken on everyone of those tapes." I was not thrilled with this guy, right from the start. Who the hell did he think he was, anyway.
He went on to say,"I heard you identifying yourself as clean and sober." I said,"Yeah, clean from drugs and emotionally and spiritually sober." He said,"You know, I looked up the dictionary definition of the word sober and it means somber, serious, moderate and not drunk and I cant afford to limit my recovery in those terms."
He then went further to say,"I looked up the dictionary definition of the word clean and it means free from dirt and diseases and when I came in to NA, I was a dirty and diseased guy. I go to na, not only to become physically clean from drugs, but to become spiritually clean, emotionally clean, clean in the way that I deal with the world."
"Were do you find your recovery," he asked? "Well, I go to the NA meetings I can get to but I work evenings at the treatment center so I go to the noon AA meetings during the day." He said,"All my life I never made a commitment anywhere, I never stuck it out. If I didn't like this girl, I had another across town. If I didn't like this group of friends I'd hang out with another. If I didn't like this school, I'd get my parents to move me to another. I never made a commitment anywhere. You need to make a commitment somewhere and stick it out, and when the service arguments get tough, you can't take your ball and go home."
If they needed someone to chair the aa meeting on tuesday would you be missed, he asked? No, I said, they have hundreds of people there. If they needed a speaker at the na meeting would your absence be noticed? Well of course, there's only a dozen of us. You need to make a commitment, he said, one or the other. I don't care which one. And when the going gets tough, you need to stick it out and grow up. It was then that I said, well thanks for sharing buddy and quickly got away from that creep.
I remember going to a local meeting that night and complaining about that guy. I got several giggles from the local members. Apparently, he had been sharing the same way with a bunch of them, and they were just as impressed as I.
I got back to my home area on monday night and the next day, guess where I was? In my usual seat at the noon aa meeting. Tell me I cant go somewhere for my recovery, hah! I just picked up my two year gold coin.
It was my turn to share on the topic of humility. I identified myself, as a drug addict, and shared on the topic. I never talked much about my using, as it wasn't consistent with aa's first step and I felt it would be disrespectful.
As the meeting ended, an old drunk walked up to me and said; we don't talk about drugs in here and then walked out. I sat there flabbergasted. Why, I hadn't talked about drugs at all, I merely identified myself as a "drug" addict. I was still holding onto the chemicals.
Well! The next day, guess where I was, right back in my same seat. Tell me I cant be here, hah! As I sat in that meeting a quiet voice came into my head. It said; what are you doing here? And I thought; resentment! Is that any reason to attend a 12 step fellowship, the voice asked? And I knew the answer to that one. So I got up and left the meeting. I made the commitment to only go to na that day and I haven't looked back since.
The next time I saw that jerk from memphis, I asked him to be my sponsor. I wanted what he had to offer. He talked to me about integrity and putting your money were your mouth is. He spoke the truth to me.
Part 2
The movement.
There was a home group in na that grew up around the literature movement and its primary purpose was to disband. Think about that. An na group who's main purpose was to no longer be needed. It was named "anonymi" and it consisted of a little blue business card that said these words:
Anonymi
A world-wide na home group designed to provide our trusted servants (whose service has sometimes isolated them from their local groups) with the love and understanding they need to survive.
As folks came together to work on our basic text, they were beginning to learn a great deal about na and the disease of addiction. We were starting to crystalize a concept of recovery that was ours alone. Folks from all over the country were getting to meet and share with others who had been clean for a long time and they were going back home chock full of enthusiasm about this new vision of recovery.
My sponsor gave me my card and he gave me an extra one. He said that when you meet someone who needs this give them a card and one extra. He said; there are allot of adicts who have made the commitment to stand up for narcotics anonymous. They are going to na for their recovery and are using our own language. The language developed through the writing of our literature. It is consistent with our first step of powerless-ness over addiction and not the substances we used. As these members go back to there home areas and share this new found commitment, they are often scorned and isolated.
This is what anonymi is for. We meet at conventions and service gatherings to nurture each other. This gives us the strength to go back and continue to stand up for what we believe in. Of course, our hope is that the fellowship will come to this same understanding and one day, we can here the message of recovery from the disease of addiction in narcotics anonymous in any na meeting we attended. When that day comes, we will no longer need anonymi.
I was driving down the highway the other day and I was going to do a history talk for the area. I was trying to remember the name of that home group. You know the one who's primary purpose was to disband. (Tears of gratitude are welling up in my eyes, as I write these lines) I couldn't remember the name "anonymi". It had served it's primary purpose and was no longer needed. I can go into almost any na meeting around the world and hear a clear message of na and the majority of members wouldn't think of going to any other fellowship for there recovery (what a silly idea).
Well it wasn't that silly in 1983. A friend of mine who got clean 25 years ago says; "it takes a certain brand of insanity to bet your life on something that doesn't exist!" Narcotics anonymous, as we know it today, did not exist. We had meetings and allot of sharing and caring but the fellowship was splintered. We had unity but we were not totally unified. There was allot of junior counseling going on. There was only a handful of people going only to na meetings for there recovery and they were very quiet about it.
You know the old saying, there's nothing worse than a convert. It's usually the converts that yell the loudest and I was right up there at the front. We started sharing about only using na approved literature in our na meetings. We would confront members when they said the "s" word. We were quick to tell you that sober stood for "short of being entirely recovering". What ever the new cause was, to clarify our language and our fellowship, we were quick to jump on the bandwagon. We pointed out that the lords prayer was a secular prayer from a specific religion and was inappropriate at na meetings. We would tell folks, if straight is great, does that mean that gay sucks. We come to na to get clean, not straight.
When I heard people share that they were addict/alcoholics that were clean and sober from drugs and alcohol, I knew they weren't surrendering to the same first step I was. We finally learned that it worked allot better to talk to them after the meeting and not cause a scene by shouting out as the poor guy was sharing. The sad part, for me, was that I would immediately discount anything they had to say. And we worked with the newcomers.
Folks from around the country and around the world would come to me and complain about the mixed messages they heard in there meetings. I used to tell them not to waist there breath on the oldtimers, cause they would be quick to tell you that its worked like this for us so why do we have to change. I would share, work with the newcomers. It will only take about a year. Why a year, they would ask? Because in a year, all those newcomers will be in service positions. They will be the gsr's and the area secretaries etc. They will be the leaders. And we were right.
Anonymi was informal in nature, once you got your card and most members never saw one, you put it away and never spoke of it again. You just hung with the winners and recommitted yourself at every convention you could get to. We went to them all. Back then there was only the world, the east coast and one or two state conventions but new ones were happening all the time. It was nothing to go to 8 or more first conventions in a year. Whenever we got there, our na family was waiting with compassion and fellowship. We felt a part of and knew that all the hassles at home were worth it. A friend of mine from michigan had come home with the recovery messagen and the local na's told her; if was so great down there in georgia, why don't you go the f++k back.
Our state, as well as several other east coast regions, were putting in bids for the world convention to be held labor day weekend 1985. One of the bidding sites was washington dc and they put on a mini convention to raise funds for there bid. Of course, being in na, we all showed up to participate. This blew the minds of the dc committee. That all the people bidding against them would drive hundreds of mile to help there function be a success. That's the na way!
Saturday night, after the last meetings, a bunch of us gathered in a room at the college were the function was being held. We talked about the movement, which had no name, at the time. We came up with the tittle e.c.v.c. This stood for the east coast vigilante committee. We keep what we have only with vigilance (sic). We even designed a t- shirt with a picture of the world (taken from our state bid shirt) and placed the banner e.c.v.c. across the globe.
A few months latter, we were all in baltimore for the 6th east coast convention of narcotics anonymous. These conventions were getting huge, with attendance at around 1,500 members. A big convention back then was 450 addicts. As I walked down the path to my dorm room, I came upon a fellow na radical named jimmy from the north east. He pulled out a newsletter and a purple bandanna with the world logo and the word purist across the globe. The news letter wasn't much to look at, just a piece of paper folded in 4ths. It reprinted an article from an early na way magazine.
The article talked about "those members who identify themselves simply as addicts and who use the terms clean and recovery, instead of sober and sobriety. They only go to na meetings for their recovery. "Are they outside na or some fringe group"? The article said no, they are actually na purists. I guess jimmy thought the name vigilante was a little heavy handed.
This movement was not very well organized and there were no officers. It was just allot of well minded individuals who believed in the same things and were doing something about it. Each in there own small way. Jimmy didn't think a whole lot about his little news letter and wasn't even asking for donations to cover cost. He just felt it was important for us to have a vehicle to discuss our issues without censorship from world services. The newsletter was not as small a thing as was first believed. Of course, we all asked jimmy if we could reproduce it and he said sure.
The purist newsletter, as it was quickly coming to be known, was the talk of the convention. Not from the podiums, of course, but in the hallways and out on the lawn. The e.c.v.c. members got there copies and quickly ran home to make duplicates. Jimmy's idea, of course, was to quietly hand them out at functions of na. The rest of us wanted them out on the tables of every na meeting in the world.
I went to the 2nd european service conference in london england that year. In my suitcase was a hundred copies of the purist newsletter. No one told me to do that, I just knew in my heart that this stuff needed to be shared with na overseas. When I got to the conference, I put them out on the table with all the other literature and let the fun begin. The host committee didn't get off on the idea and had a meeting to discuss this "non na approved" literature. They asked me to attend a meeting on the subject but I declined. I wish to make amends to that committee. I was really chickening out from being confronted on my behavior. They voted to remove the purist newsletter from the tables. That was ok with me, the seed had been sewn.
I was on the wold international committee, at the time, and latter that year at a world business meeting I was called into an office for a talk. There was a long table and most of the world level trusted servants were there. The chair of the conference, the chair of the international committee, a dozen or so officers and the director of the world service office, bob stone. I wondered what was up.
Bob gave this long speech about the workings of na and his responsibilities to the world wide fellowship of na. I was being lulled to sleep with this stuff. All of sudden he pulls out the purist newsletter and demands to know about this organization that handed these out. He said that they had wound up on the tables at an na meeting in europe and was I apart of this. I was flabbergasted and of course intimidated by this large gathering. I told them the truth, that there was no big scheme, I just made a bunch of copies and handed them out at the european conference. When they found that it was just one addicts and not some big conspiracy, they excused me.
My sponsor used to bolster me up at times like these. He would look me in the eye and say "either you stand for something or you'll fall for anything". That was one of our greatest rallying cries. I know, because I used to use it on my sponsees. It became the battle call for my friends who decided to continue the fight with the production of the baby blue copies of the basic text.
Part 3
The baby blues.
My na mentor, larry, and a few others decided that they didn't like what world services was doing. Especially with the monies they were making on the sale of our basic text. It's the old adage, if you don't like what folks are doing take away there funding. The ultimate authority is always the purse strings. There was allot of discussion about changes made to our basic text over the years. Changes that we believed were not "fellowship approved".
There was discussion about the exorbitant cost of our basic text, when a smaller cheaper version could be made for about a dollar and a half. Of course the full price of our text goes to provide services to the worldwide fellowship of na and only a small part goes to cover the cost of producing the book. It was those services, plane trips for world level servants etc..., that had brought this idea to fruition.
This is how it was told to me, because I wasn't at the conference yet. The white approval form of the basic text was altered before printing. This was done without the approval of the fellowship. The board of trustees took a few line out of the tradition portions and then sent it to the printer.
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he article talked about "those members who identify themselves simply as addicts and who use the terms clean and recovery, instead of sober and sobriety. They only go to na meetings for their recovery. "Are they outside na or some fringe group"? The article said no, they are actually na purists. I guess jimmy thought the name vigilante was a little heavy handed.
This movement was not very well organized and there were no officers. It was just allot of well minded individuals who believed in the same things and were doing something about it. Each in there own small way. Jimmy didn't think a whole lot about his little news letter and wasn't even asking for donations to cover cost. He just felt it was important for us to have a vehicle to discuss our issues without censorship from world services. The newsletter was not as small a thing as was first believed. Of course, we all asked jimmy if we could reproduce it and he said sure.
The purist newsletter, as it was quickly coming to be known, was the talk of the convention. Not from the podiums, of course, but in the hallways and out on the lawn. The e.c.v.c. members got there copies and quickly ran home to make duplicates. Jimmy's idea, of course, was to quietly hand them out at functions of na. The rest of us wanted them out on the tables of every na meeting in the world.
I went to the 2nd european service conference in london england that year. In my suitcase was a hundred copies of the purist newsletter. No one told me to do that, I just knew in my heart that this stuff needed to be shared with na overseas. When I got to the conference, I put them out on the table with all the other literature and let the fun begin. The host committee didn't get off on the idea and had a meeting to discuss this "non na approved" literature. They asked me to attend a meeting on the subject but I declined. I wish to make amends to that committee. I was really chickening out from being confronted on my behavior. They voted to remove the purist newsletter from the tables. That was ok with me, the seed had been sewn.
I was on the wold international committee, at the time, and latter that year at a world business meeting I was called into an office for a talk. There was a long table and most of the world level trusted servants were there. The chair of the conference, the chair of the international committee, a dozen or so officers and the director of the world service office, bob stone. I wondered what was up.
Bob gave this long speech about the workings of na and his responsibilities to the world wide fellowship of na. I was being lulled to sleep with this stuff. All of sudden he pulls out the purist newsletter and demands to know about this organization that handed these out. He said that they had wound up on the tables at an na meeting in europe and was I apart of this. I was flabbergasted and of course intimidated by this large gathering. I told them the truth, that there was no big scheme, I just made a bunch of copies and handed them out at the european conference. When they found that it was just one addicts and not some big conspiracy, they excused me.
My sponsor used to bolster me up at times like these. He would look me in the eye and say "either you stand for something or you'll fall for anything". That was one of our greatest rallying cries. I know, because I used to use it on my sponsees. It became the battle call for my friends who decided to continue the fight with the production of the baby blue copies of the basic text.
Part 3
The baby blues.
My na mentor, larry, and a few others decided that they didn't like what world services was doing. Especially with the monies they were making on the sale of our basic text. It's the old adage, if you don't like what folks are doing take away there funding. The ultimate authority is always the purse strings. There was allot of discussion about changes made to our basic text over the years. Changes that we believed were not "fellowship approved".
There was discussion about the exorbitant cost of our basic text, when a smaller cheaper version could be made for about a dollar and a half. Of course the full price of our text goes to provide services to the worldwide fellowship of na and only a small part goes to cover the cost of producing the book. It was those services, plane trips for world level servants etc..., that had brought this idea to fruition.
This is how it was told to me, because I wasn't at the conference yet. The white approval form of the basic text was altered before printing. This was done without the approval of the fellowship. The board of trustees took a few line out of the tradition portions and then sent it to the printer.
I purchased the red $25.00 limited 1st edition of the basic text from my sponsor at the 4th east coast convention of na. It was held at leheigh university in allentown, pa. Each book was numbered and the cost was used to print the regular first edition. Someone showed me that, in the 2nd and 4th traditions, some lines had been removed.
In one tradition it states; what about our service boards our committees, are these things na? The answer is "these things are not na". They are services that a group may or may not choose to utilize. The other line that was clipped was; "service boards and committees cannot decide, rule, dictate, or censor." A service board, "the board of trustees", decided, ruled and dictated to censor those two lines.
These sections were very interesting in their focus on service boards and committees. Basicaly, "narcotics anonymous" was what happens on tuesday or thursday nights etc... and the group service committee that runs the meetings. This took the focus and ego out of service positions on the lower levels. Oh yes, purist were quick to point out that the highest level of service was one addict sharing with another and that all the other levels were bellow that and were only there to serve the next highest level, the one closest to the addict who still suffers. World services was at the very bottom.
The two major camps in na service have allways been split on the matters of inclusive and exclusive committees and the emphasis on the words "trusted" and "servant". The purists believe in trusted "servants". We trust you to serve and if your not doing that, then we will replace you. You are only there to carry out the will of the ultimate authority, group concience. Of course that means the concience of an na home group as it express itself in our service structure.
The other camp believes in "trusted" servants. That we take the time to elect the right people for the job and then we trust them to do it. If we have to go back to the group every time a motion is amended, we will be going back and forth forever and never get anything done. We trust our servants to do there job and if there not, we allways have the ultimate authority to replace them. Smaller committees are more expedient, they can get them job done more efficiently.
Well when the book came out, with the deleted text, there were allot of folks on the east coast that were very upset. They made signs with yosemite sam (the little warner brothers cartoon cowboy with the six guns and the big cowboy hat) on them saying; were gunnin for california! Some members of the board lost there portions and the office, who had started printing a second edition of the basic text, began putting the changes back in. They had an edition with the changes pasted back in (a rare collectors item), until the corrected printed versions came out.
Their was a vote, put out by the world service conference, to return the basic text to it's original form. Of course the purist believed that meant returning the lines that had originally been omitted. When the vote came to the conference floor (so I've been told), it said the original form of the basic text was "the red limited edition" and not "the approval form". We thought we had voted yes to returning the text to it's original form, the "approval form". The motion passed and a 3rd edition came out with the "service board and committee" lines taken back out.
The folks I ran with never forgot, what they called manipulation at the conference. When they created there inexpensive version of the basic text, about 1.75, they put those lines back in and some others as well.
When we voted to make changes in our little white book, the basic text had to be changed again. The fellowship was beginning to believe in our identity and language. We had changed the word recovered, as in "we are recovered addicts who meet regularly to help each other stay clean", to we are recovering addicts. This showed us that we could make changes in our literature and the fellowship would approve them. Next the board of trustees and world literature took on a rewrite of all our readings, that came from our little white book.
These changes were in line with the purist beliefs. They clarified the disease of addiction concept by taking out inconsistencies in our literature. It used to say that we have a disease like diabetes, tuberculoses or alcoholism. I thought alcohol was a drug. We took out the line that stated "it would appear that we are people with an addictive personality who are strongly susceptible to alcoholic addiction". Are there several kinds of addiction or is there one addiction with several symptoms.
The implied endorsement of alcoholics anonymous was taken out of our readings and put in the introduction of our basic text, a much more fitting place for it. We used to read in our meetings every night, that we are deeply grateful to the aa fellowship for pointing the way for us to a new way of life. Narcotics anonymous ought never endorse finance or lend the na name to any Related facility our outside enterprise....
The next changes that were done at the world level left a very bitter taste in the mouths of those that worked on the basic text. There was a motion, approved unanimously at the world service conference, to edit the basic text. This was to be simply for grammar, syntax and readability but not to change the meanings of what was written. The problem was that the approval of said changes was to be left in the hands of the world literature committee. At the time, the world literature by laws had created a literature review board that handled those kinds of things. What had taken the fellowship years to write, that hundreds had sweated over every line, working tirelessly so that everyone in na approved them all, was to be handled by a small select group of addicts in world lit.
Many friends of mine quit participating in narcotics anonymous and na services over this issue. When the book came out, it read a good bit better but there were changes galore, of a conceptual nature. The literature committee had read it, liked it and approved it. The fellowship, on the other hand, had opened up the different copies and reviewed it... sentence by sentence and word by word. The heat flew, the conference listened but no changes were made.
So "the baby blue" was produced. It was a bastardization of the basic text (3rd edition revised) with the lines about "service boards and committees" re-inserted. Some addicts in dc and florida and west virginia began making copies and distributing them. Hundreds of copies.
Was there a point to all this. Was it to hold the conference accountable for there actions in the past and in the present. Or was it that someone was benefiting from all those books being purchased. One of the key members selling hundreds of copies held no job during this time.
The guy who was spearheading this was a friend of mine named "grateful dave". Sometimes referred to as hateful dave or grapefruit dave. When I suggested that he surrender this stuff, he said; didn't you always tell me you've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything. You got us started and now your backing out on the fight.
Yea, I guess I was backing out. I had worked the 6th and 7th step of narcotics anonymous and my radical ways were falling by the wayside. I had come to believe that most of my radical comments about world services were based on jealousy, that I wasn't participating. I wasn't "in" with the "in crowd".
Of course I was committed to only going to na for my recovery, still carrying the clear message of recovery from the disease of addiction but I was no longer standing up for what I thought were non-existent virtues. It was no longer us and them. Having been friends with all parties on both sides of all the issues, I had come to believe that it was "we" who made the decisions for narcotics anonymous. We and a loving god. I no longer had to save na, I could turn it over and know that god had it all well in hand.
I said, dave, the saddest part about all this is that by hanging on to this issue you've cut yourself off from the very people that can be there for you. Dave was infected with the virus and it seemed that anyone who tried to get close to him had to deal with all the politics. There was no dave the addict. His quick response was, I had hands laid on me and I've been fine ever since.
That was the last time I saw my friend grateful dave. The world service office was forced to take him to court. He was copying copyrighted material. The office had taken the liberty to copyright the basic text, cause no one else had. The earliest editions had the copyright of carena on them, but that was an idea for a holding company for na's intellectual property trust. It stood for compassion, action, respect and empathy in narcotics anonymous or the simple form care na. Gregg p., the board of trustee chair, was supposed to deal with it when he went back to california from the world lit conference but it was never done.
This, of course, was another major bone of contention to be used in court by dave and his fellow radicals. (God there gonna kill me, if this ever gets printed.) the office didn't have the authority to the rights to the book, as they had not been given the authority by the fellowship to do so. Of course the office was doing the right thing by making sure that our fellowships words were copyrighted, by someone in na. If not, anyone could produce there own basic text and so the guys had.
The court case was very interesting. The judge thought it was all pretty ridiculous that a group of people who's sole purpose was to save other peoples lives, was fighting about such trivial stuff. He told the office, you don't want me to decide this and the office said, yes we do.
The judge, being the wise man that he was, asked grateful dave what he wanted. Dave wanted a true group conscience. The judge instructed the world service office to have placed on the conference agenda, if there was room, a motion. To have every individual na group vote, as to which version of the basic text was to be the real version.
The judge gave strict guide lines as to how this vote was to be taken and that each and every na group would get a chance to vote. Rather than areas tally votes and then regions and so on, the sum total of all the voting na groups would be recorded and that would be the voice of our fellowship. Both parties agreed and the suit was dropped. The vote was never taken. Grateful dave died of aids. Another friend of mine, who was very instrumental in writing the basic text, has taken up the cause. There are allot of "underground" na newsletters out there with what many say tells "the real story" of what's going on in na services. Ask around and you'll find them. You need to hear all sides.
Why was the motion never addressed, why was there never a world wide vote. Well, the judge had given the office and the conference an out. He said; "to place the motion on the conference agenda, if they have the time available" well they just didn't seem to have the time.
So, was all this in vain. The baby blues haven't been printed in a while. The chief protagonists are out of the picture, either by death, relapse or having left the fellowship. Yes, some of those early purists no longer attend na for there recovery. I'm still here and so is jimmy, the little guy from the north east. Most who came before us and around us are gone. My friend larry north died from emphysema and was buried at arlington national cemetary. Goodbye my old friend, these are probably the only words about you that will ever be printed in narcotics anonymous and you, of all people, deserve a whole lot more. Was it all for naught.
Allot of good was achieved by the purists and there followers. Currently, a small version of the text has been created by the world service office, which is inexpensive and carries enough in it to help any addict recover. It's a little larger than the white book and you can find it at most na meetings.
The fellowship created an intellectual property trust for our literature. It is now owned, in perpetuity, by the fellowship of narcotics anonymous and not the world service office. More importantly, everyone in power knows that there are folks out there watching what they do and say. Be greatful for the radicals because they will keep you on your toes.
Over the years na has become the primary and only fellowship for more than a hundred thousand recovering addicts who are "clean". They find there recovery soley in narcotics anonymous. And for me, the two lines that come to mind are;
Our common welfare should come first, personal recovery depends on na unity!
And
My gratitude speaks when I care and share with others the na way!
Why just this afternoon, I went to a meeting. It was in the local na club house, in the town we had just moved to...
And I didn't have to change a single word.
In loving service,
Anonymi in alabama
-- Edited by dalin at 10:22, 2006-11-08
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dalin a unity means oneity...one god, one fellowship,one sponsor,one program...many gifts
My sister went to a convention in San Jose calif , Twenty-Seventh World Convention of Narcotics Anonymous! and there were alot of old timers there some with as much as 40 years in the program, she said that when they gave there clean time ALOT of them announced they were addicts and alcoholics
Lon, thanks for sharing that perspective on the issue in discussion here. I also do it that way. Talk to newcomers after the meetings, one on one, and share my experience and how I realized what I have, in a loving, caring way, and then, leave the option to change their way or not, entirely to them...
Sometimes, my intolerance does get at me, when something non-NA is force-fed in NA meetings, and I do acting out on very rare occasions. But I'm grateful that this happens as it allows me to look within to see what is so disturbing inside me that I am not able to practice tolerance and acceptance, and also, I open my mind and invite a loving Higher Power in these situations nowadays by asking myself, what my Higher Power would want me do in those situations... be rude and interrupt the newcomer's share and force NA jargon on him or to deal in a loving, compassionate way and have the faith in the Higher Power that just like my Higher Power worked on my recovery, in my HP's own time and brought me where I am, so will the same happen to these newcomers too, in their HP's own time, not mine...
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"If we do an honest examination of exactly what we are giving, we are better able to evaluate the results we are getting."Chapter 10 - Emotional Pain - NA Way of Life.
Dalin, thanks for posting that transcript. I have added it to my NA History Archives
I also do a lot of research on NA History nowadays... I wonder if it would ever be able to get it all in one book, without bias, from a neutral perspective, as it all truly transpired... Maybe, one day, that would happen too... I also recieved the History & Traditions CD from the Ohio Workshop from one of the members who attended it... It's awesome and I was delighted that this member actually sent it to me, spending $15 to $20 for shipping & handling to my country.
I'm grateful to the miracle of NA in cyberspace due to which I live with all the NA guys and gals all over the world, in my daily life, connected and informed.
Nowadays, this group, Miracles In Progress, my NA homegroup in cyberspace, has become a very important tool of my daily recovery, and I also thank BigV who showed that it is possible to stay clean and recover with the help of this group on a daily basis.
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"If we do an honest examination of exactly what we are giving, we are better able to evaluate the results we are getting."Chapter 10 - Emotional Pain - NA Way of Life.
Deceased members full names will appear in this material to prevent confusion.
The Tradition Wars: a pathway to peace
The purpose of this book is to open an avenue for all who have been burned by the lack of participation in our 12 Traditions. We have seen members utilizing power in NA service to bolster their views, increase their power base, or simply to get rid of those who oppose their way of carrying the message. These abuses can be found on any and all levels of NA service. Sadly, they often lead not to disagreements and arguments, but to the very lives of NA members who leave the fellowship, use and possibly die.
Narcotics Anonymous service brings together an odd lot of people who's ideas vary as widely as the forms of drugs we used. Many have a natural talent for structured service, analytical, cold, calculating, often times shrewd and cunning. Many of their talents came from life on the streets were it was kill or be killed. Survival of the fittest was the name of the game and often those that gravitate to the top of the food chain in NA service have honed those skills to an art form.
On the other side are those who believe in self-less service. Who have been taught to give freely expecting nothing in return. They learn that giving this way has it's own reward, a deep sense of self worth and gratitude that is worth much more than gold or fame and titles. NA service often pits these two forces against each other, often with disastrous results not only for the individuals but for the fellowship as a whole.
The Basic Text reminds us that honest sharing is the antidote to our diseased thinking. The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off! Some will be thrilled and thankful that the truth is being told, others may feel threatened, while others will shout loudly, how dare you? We who write this book say back to them.. How dare you??? Sadly, some day down the road, we are all going to have a Judge Judy moment. Probably when large sums of money have been diverted for personal gain, someone will say something like; "So, where were the checks and balances? You dissolved the Board of Trustees, what were you thinking????" The fact that members lives were saved by Narcotics Anonymous and they can cold bloodedly manipulate the system to create a closed none fellowship participatory system to suite their private needs is beyond belief. It stagers the imagination that members who's lives were useless and pathetic, were loved back to health and sanity, and their response is to highjack the service structure and ostracize a loving God as expressed through NA individual group conscience is unfathomable!
No one of us is completely without sin when it comes to tradition wars. Many of us who cry the injustice of structured service, have been party to our own use of traditions as weapons in the war to purify NA. How many members have we sent back out because they did not share our vision of NA unity. We berated them for being sober and not clean, for sharing about Alcoholics Anonymous in "our" NA meetings, like we could truly own something that was God given.
Early NA is littered with the bodies of addicts who never got clean because the fellowships had not yet written the traditions. Before the Traditions were put into written form, the principles still existed, so we can call them ‘spiritual violations. These ‘spiritual violations’ were very injurious to the Fellowship. Individual egos ran the show right into the ground, over and over and over again. The first attempts at NA in NYC at the end of 1949 beginning 1950 was riddled with tradition violations. Of course, they were doing the very best they could with what they had and sadly to say in 1950, they didn't have much. Caring individuals, like Father Dan Eagan and Salvation Army Major General Dorothy Berry helped the fledgling group by creating a board of trustees for NA. Sadly they would not let any addicts serve on this board. The group extended itself to all manner of aid to it's members; housing, food, job assistance. In it's waning years, the leader, a woman named Ray Lopez, had gotten a job working for the Narcotics Division of the city of New York. Half her office was New York Narcotics the other half was NA. You can just imagine the problems that ensued.
As with most early fellowships, the death of the stronger member oft times meant the death of the fellowship, as in direct contradiction of the 12 traditions, one member and not the fellowship, was doing most of the work. They were not "we" fellowships, but ones with small power centers at the top. This is how NA in California failed in it's first attempt. As most of us know, toward the beginning of the 1960's, the last NA meeting in the world had died. It was quickly picked back up by founding members, including Jimmy K. He was always adamant that NA was a “we fellowship” and not an “I” fellowship. He always said; "there are no big shots here in NA – one shot and we’re all shot."
Jimmy K maybe the most visible casualty of the Tradition Wars. Sadly, his name is still used today to justify ongoing hostility and resentments. You have to wonder what Jimmy would think about that. He was a loving man who had many people speaking in his ears toward the end of his life and the end of his career in service to the fellowship as business manager of WSO. Often times Powerful Men will be used by those around them to further their goals. The fellowship begged and pleaded with Jimmy to come to the World Service Conference to give a report, while others played on his feelings of betrayal and fostered their beliefs that the literature committee was out to get him. This was far from the truth. The leaders in the literature for the most part owed their lives to Jimmy, as he sponsored several of them. One member was his protege and probably one of his best friends. Sadly those in the circle around Jimmy painted pictures of betrayal about Greg Pierce that just were not true. Greg shared about the pain of going to his sponsors house and having the door slammed in his face. Why? Because he fought to get a book written by addicts for addicts. So too Greg Pierce, the man who wrote our 12 Tradition chapter of the Basic Text, the NA Tree, our first service structure, The Triangle of Self Obsession, Living The Program, an Approach to The 4th Step in Narcotics Anonymous, had been kicked to the curb for standing up for NA and our need for a book on recovery.
The largest element of NA that was disenfranchised by the tradition wars were the die hard dedicated members of the World Literature Committee. These members gave their ‘all’ for over 2 years to see that a Basic Text of Recovery from the disease of addiction in Narcotics Anonymous became a reality. Many lost family, jobs, and gave countless years of selfless service so that addicts could recover and would not have to die from this wretched disease we are all afflicted with. As changes were made to the Basic Text without true fellowship approval, a little piece of them died. They had sweated over every single word in our book and to see a small handful of insiders would make change after change, hire professional writers to edit something they saw as near perfect and all with the flick of the wrist, or the strike of some keys on a word processor, did in years of diligent tireless selfless service. Many have left NA and sadly will never come back. We owe them our very lives, and this is how we repay them, by labeling them vocal minority, trouble-makers and malcontents, who have nothing better to do than tear down NA.
This book is about any violation of traditions that led to or could lead to the death of even one suffering addict. As our literature states, "that (no) addict seeking recovery need ever die!". The text also lets us know that "we are as sick as our secrets". For these reasons we write and ask all to participate in the writing of the Tradition Wars, this is your book as well as ours. Please go to the NA-HISTORY.ORG web site and input your views and your memories on these our growing years. If you don't write it, it will never be heard! This is your chance to have your say and make a difference for the health and well being of NA for years to come.
To move forward with this work, we will create an original document and let NA members from all over the world input ideas, suggestions, writings, critiques and do this as a joint effort. The way copyright law reads, contributing authors derive their work from originating author. This keeps the technicalities simple and opens the door to participation to any member, just as setting up a meeting place does for a recovery meeting. The www.nawol.org Quest Forum and the information on the www.na-history.org will contribute directly to the material along with any minutes, committee reports and correspondence we can find. Further, we will include eye witness accounts cited with first name and last initial. Special thanks to Grover N. and Ron R. whose courage and vigor have inspired this work. We will add to this list of thanks as we progress. Gratitude to David A. of the Smyrna NA Foundation Group for originating the title in one of his incredible, colorful phrases. In Loving Service,
Bo S.
Dear Fellow Members,
Our editorial policy should be to present viewpoints and factual documents not otherwise available to help NA members think for themselves. I don't think we ever need to deal in radical rantings, but we should give ourselves the liberty to inform the general membership what has been going on the last ten or fifteen years. Many members haven't been clean that long - so they don't realize they used to have representatives that carried their vote. We are willing to take some time to avoid witch hunts and kangaroo courts. There has been enough of that.
We pray as we undertake this effort for God's divine hand to strengthen and guide us so that our efforts will heal and strengthen our Fellowship.
I went to a convention this past weekend, there was a NA history workshop that I missed so I asked some friends who did the workshop in the hopes that I might come away with a contact that I could get some material from.
When I found out who did the workshop I walked up to the lady who had 25 years clean and told her that we were doing a NA history web page, her reply was ""who is we?"" when I mentioned some of the names involved with the NA history web site she instantly said ""I am not interested"" and turned her back on me.
I was so deflated I did what I know how to do call a trusted addict and talk about it. I got some good feedback and went on and enjoyed the rest of the time I spent at the convention. I did buy the tape from that history workshop along with five others I like the six for five tape deals if your gonna spend five bucks per tape may as well get a free one, anyway I listened to a few tapes I really wanted to here Bob B. was great it took until today for me to get to the history workshop tape and after listening to this lady it made me think of the Tradition Wars topic what I came away with from listening to this lady was this. Yes there were casualties some people died and some of those that survived are still hurting and yet others worked the hell out of this program and got on with their lives.
This lady made me realize that there were casualties on both sides of this thing, and just like we feel strongly about those we lost, there were people lost and hurt on their side also. So maybe just maybe when we start this project about the Victors of the Traditions Wars that we tell about whom got hurt on both sides.
This is just this old addict trying to spark up some thoughts, ideas, and possibly get another part of our history told in a fashion that will bring about true understanding and maybe some healing.
While listening to this tape as she spoke or starting to speak about certain things you could hear the pain she was reliving, that was the initial spark that prompted me to write this. I guess the thing we call empathy does work when you practice the spiritual principles of our God given program.
ILS
Ronald R.
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dalin a unity means oneity...one god, one fellowship,one sponsor,one program...many gifts
Nowadays, this group, Miracles In Progress, my NA homegroup in cyberspace, has become a very important tool of my daily recovery, and I also thank BigV who showed that it is possible to stay clean and recover with the help of this group on a daily basis.
This place, you guys with all the information has brought me more help then i've gotten in the last 20 years, honestly, for that I am greatful, I was led here for a reason and this is where i'll stay.
Yeah Dalin, I know it's an awesome piece of literature, this Tradition Wars book. I had started reading it when I was a few months clean, and an oldtimer then suggested that I stop reading it for then, and get involved in Service, work the steps and traditions and then I would be better able to cope and truly understand this book without getting confused in the process.
Now that you remind me of it again, I guess I will start reading it again now, in a better state of mind as far as my personal recovery is concerned
Also, I think I have read a lot from it as excerpts from other NA websites and online archives and also from NAWOL. True, resentments and exaggerated blame has always been a problem for us addicts, sometimes, overpowering even our honest intentions.
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"If we do an honest examination of exactly what we are giving, we are better able to evaluate the results we are getting."Chapter 10 - Emotional Pain - NA Way of Life.
NA BASIC TEXT,,,6th EDITION,,,,
ITS YOUR TURN TO READ,,.UP COMES ONE OF THESE
PHRASES/WORDS,
PG.135,,DRUGS AND ALCOHOL,
PG.148,,GETTING LOADED,
PG.137,,ADDICTS AND ALCOHOLICS,,CLEAN AND DRY,,HAPPY AND SOBER,
PG 300,,JUNKIES,DOPE-FIENDS,PILL HEADS,,COKE FREAKS,
PG.135,,JUNKIE AND A JUICER,
PG 148 SMOKING GRASS
HERE IS A GOOD ONE,,
PG.126,,I BECAME SOBER AND CLEAN,
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The book ,It works how and why.
Trad.11 pg.208
To be of maximum service to the still-suffering addict, we must energetically seek to carry our message throughout our cities, towns, and villages ,,,
Each of us has our own life,our own words and our own story,all
adding dimension and color to the message of our fellowship.
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Tradition 8 Pg 188,What is Narcotics Anonymous, after all, but a
fellowship of addicts freely sharing with one another the simple
message of their own experience.
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it works how and why,tradition 4,,pg. 155,,autonomy does not relieve groups of their obligation to observe and apply the spiritual principles embodied in the traditions,,basic text 5th edition tradition 4 pg 63,,a narcotics anonymous group is any group that meets reguarly,at a specified place and time,for the purpose of recovery,provided that it follows the twelve steps and 12 traditions of narcotics anonymous
it works how and why,tradition 4,,,,,,,As long as a
group observes the Twelve Traditions and espouses the Twelve Steps
of NA in its meetings, it may consider them Narcotics Anonymous
meetings.
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The book ,It works how and why.
Trad.11 pg.208
Each of us has our own life,our own words and our own story,all
adding dimension and color to the message of our fellowship.
After reading this NA tradition quote.
Question ,Should NA members feel free to use thier own words?
YES or NO
Question,After reading this NA tredition quote.
Should NA members feel free to share their own story?
YES or NO
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Pg 149, Pressuring new members to
talk or act like we do may send them back to the streets. It certainly
denies them the right to recover and learn in their own way.