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im cheating! help me


hi ive been in rehab for 6 months and ive been out for 2 weeks while i was in there a guy told me how to cheat at my herion addiction.He told me to keep them from seeing tracks i need to shoot heroin into my testicals so i did that !! yes it hurts but the feeling of the heroin is so much stronger now and they cant find track marks.Butt!!! ive noticed my testicles are getting very hard like rocks and im getting scared now! i wished i could shake this addiction any ideas?



-- Edited by striker at 15:11, 2006-09-16

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First you have to remember, dont feel bad. Heroin is bad, not as worse at ciggarettes but its up there. I remember when i was on heroin, i would go as far as to shoot it in the ducts of my eyes so no one would see. So, i know why you shoot it in your testicles. I wouldnt try to have kids if I were you.


My 2 biggest addictions were Heroin and PCP. I would be on heroin sitting there like a 90yr old women about to die, and i would want a ciggarette so one of my good friends handed me a cigg dipped in PCP. I blacked out for 4 days on end. I was told I was doing some stupid things. And my friends even had pictures, this is how they got me to inevitably stop. THey had pictures of me fondling my friends dogs. I puked on my best friends mom and punched in in the face. I even thought i was in the bathroom and pissed on my other friends head that was sleeping on the floor.


But the biggest thing to remember is dont feel bad, its not you when your when on drugs, its someone that wants to make money thats gets you to do it. The one thing, the very one thing that made me turn my life around was when they showed me the video tape of me walking around outside like it was a normal afternoon naked,  and i had crap all over my ass. I thought i had close on and was clean. That was the groin shot to the face. My wife now doesnt know anything about this, but sometimes in my dreams i get flash backs and yell stuff, like little gipper, and steve j smith is the shit, cause those were my dealers. One thing and one thing only dont feel bad.


I was in rehab for 6 weeks, when someone offered me some drugs. I took it cause it was only weed, but i was bugging out, i still think i was wacked from the pcp. Till this day i dont even know how they let me out, i see constant trails, i cant drive but i have my license, and i always have to wear sunglasses. Even in the dark. My wife thinks im some good guy, but only if she knew that when i make love to her, i see her body melt almost and i hallucinate a fish smell. BUt its all good. I just drink beer now. Beer is good, it helps me through the rough times and the sad times. Whenever i feel like doing some more heroin or pcp, i just down and 18 pack and play internet checkers and curse. Well everyone thanx and goodluck to you.



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here in n.a. we deal with solutions.


if you want to stop using we will help till you stop putting forth the effort.


our addiction is a many tentacled disease.


we are about doing something diferant to get diferant results.


im glad you folks are here.


are you willing to stay clean?



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yes i am willing to stop but im scared to tell my docter ive been shooting heroin in my testicles .i really want this all to go away i wished i was never born in this cruel world and the sick things we addict do too make our selves feel good when all we are doing is killing ourselves


 



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Ive been clean for 2 1/4 years now, but i like to tell people my stories as i was a  real habitual drug user, and had bad bad bad bad experiences. Just to show people that things could always be worse no matter how bad things are.


Like the time i did drugs and walked into my neighbors house, i went right into where my room would be because they are similar houses. So i slept the whole night there and woke up the next day next to a 68 yr old women groping my leg. I was so embarrassed i ran home and almost cried.


Far and little in between, things like this happened almost on a daily to weekely basis. Im suprised i am even still alive and out of jail. The only thing to thank that on is me stopping the habbit. take one hurdle at a time, if you have many problems take care of the most important one, which is the drug habbit. No matter what it is.


The last thing you want is all those other problems and then coming too 4 days later in the hospital room with your firend sthat brougth a video of you tryping to tip over a cow, and you just start doing obscene things to it. The worst part is you dont even remember.



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well we have to feel those crazy dope addict feelings.go down to the girl who used,i think 3 sites back,and click on those sights i posted there.


 this is w we program,and we cant do it alone



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Drittz can you help me with this addiction ? im willing to do anything to stop the pain and the hell i have to live with every day

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http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums/drug-addiction/



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Well striker im not a doctor so i dont want to say what to do or not do, but if your willing to do anything why dont you just buy a puppy?

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dalin thank you for the link you and dritz are a good start i need friends since ive lost every friend i ever had by pawning off thier stuff to get drugs


 



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get an na sponsor who has an na sponsor that has an na sponsor etc


there are folks in this room with years of time tested expeariance


i have 12 years,working the 12 steps with an na sponsor



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Striker start of by doing stuff out of your normal drug addicted way of living. Get a puppy, or find a girlfriend and go on a date. This should be a good start, a nice kick in the fanny. Sometimes you have to make yourself forget to move on. Start off by working out, playing sports or a new hobby. Go skiing, and i dont mean coccaine. Ride a horse, but try to find a significant other to spend your time with.



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my email is on the sight.i have to go.i will help you like i was helped......and not with a puppy..........damn........homie needs a sponsor

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well i would get a sponser but im just new here and want a friend !! i did get a puppy but it died cause i bought drugs instead of food for me and the dog

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we work the na program here..not dope fiend advice


go to that 3d post and copy what other clean addicts did



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dalin why are you so rude ? i need help  and i thought we could all be friends and help each other?

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Well dope feind advice or not. This is the video that helped me. When i woke
up in the hospital, when i ran from the cops and supposedly tride to hide the
drugs in my anal cavity.




-- Edited by Drizzt at 16:23, 2006-09-16

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href="http://www.videos.humpingfrog.com/14116/2006/03/hospital-patient-lets-out-a-poo-missle.html">http://www.skiahhelp.com/3003/myphysical


-- Edited by Drizzt at 23:00, 2006-09-18

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not being rude,im being pracical!


 i have buried to many folks that came to na looking for help.addiction is a dead end deal,and an addict in pain needs to know what na offers.that is why i gave him the sights,so he can see what other clean addicts are doing.


the addict is on an na message board,so i feel he needs to know how na does things



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if you want the na message go to na meetings.


you will here the same



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http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?forumID=52289&p=3&topicID=8319540


 



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if i had more na members here they would tell you the same.......go read,every sight i posted is na related......i mean this is an na forum,for na members who want to stay clean

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that drist or whatever needs his ass kicked.


an addict needing help and in pain.......and that is the kind of help he gets...


 i just hope the addict will know there was only one member of the fellowship


here,and not judge na by some non addict,wasting his life.messing with us



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Striker, there is nothing to fear or hide from a doctor. Please be free to go to a doctor and open up the problem with him. It might get pretty serious otherwise, as it's a delicate place that you have a problem with. As for as my experience goes, the more I open up honestly about my problems, as you are doing here with us, the more support, care and ways to deal with the problem I get.


I have also done a lot of shenanigans while in a rehab, pickin up all about stuff and tryin to be smarter, except what I landed there for... to find a way to stop using and to try to stay clean...


Striker, you have shown a desire to address your problem which is addiction by reaching out to us, and believe me, as long as you allow yourself to be in this process of reaching out and getting support and directions, you will find ways to deal with your problems... keep the faith, and keep sharing with us...


Where are you from? Are there NA meetings in your town? One more thing I would like to ask you, my friend, if you don't mind ~ Are you asking for help because you want to stop using and find a new way to live OR only hoping for absence of pain (in this case being your testicle problem)?


Only you can decide what you want, Striker... For me, after having tried terminal hip and fatal cool in all ways possible, I realized that I cannot have a life if I continue to use drugs, any drugs, be it marijuana or cocaine or heroine or PCP or beer or pills... If I have to find a way to live, I have to abstain from all drugs... Only then is my recovery  possible... After realizing this, I stopped using and am staying clean Just For Today for over 2 years now with the help of the NA Program and the NA fellowship...


I'm glad that you found us. Welcome home to Miracles In Progress...


And yes, once again, please go to the Doctor and sort out the problem at hand, be open, be yourself, and please try to stop using, take a detox if possible...


I will have you in my prayers tonight,


Hugs, Love, Light ~ Tahir.



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thanks it really means alot when i can talk about these things and have people support me. you all are great people and maybe we all can be normal again and live life the way god meant it to be.i wish all good things to all of you.ill go to the doctor monday and get this thing fixed im just embarrssed about it

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no i am glad you came back.


we are trying to help every addict who comes here.


sometimes,guys like the joker,who was playing with you,and insulting the na way of life


keep coming



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we can do a meeting in 16 minutes........at the meeting room up top

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Stirker is just a sindicated version of a ex-vietnam vet. He was doing heroin
then and he is doing heroin now. He is my buddy and tries to get me to come
here, but i dont know i really cant take this internet thing for
real. Better safe than sorry, i mean the last think i want is to tell
everyone ive been doing heroin and smoking opium since the late 60's and
next thing you know im all over the channel 7 news.


That being said the last thing i need right now is for striker some cross
dressing, tree hugging hippie to come over with his drugs and say hey lets have
a beer. His name is scott, and he is bad, i am also but i havent done drugs
infront of my own children...I atleast make them take a bath when i do. Scott
has potential, girls as well as guys hit on him and to tell you the truth i
think he needs to be in gays anonymous rather than narcotics anonymous. So he
has a little drug problem i mean its not like someone is putting a gun to his
head. He was the one that decided to do it when he wasnt an addict, stop trying
to take my friend away, thats what his brother always says.


Who knows maybe this is a good place for him, but i just dont see how a bunch
hootinannies with their tales between their legs and a bunch of words on the
internet could help someone with a drug dependency. SO he likes to pary and is
only 59, he is still in his prime, let him be.

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((((((((((Drizzt)))))))))), Welcome to Miracles In Progress Group of NA.


KEEP COMING BACK!


I can understand that kind of a thinking. I was thinkin' the same too, when I first entered a NA Meeting... How can a bunch of addicts, by sharing about their experiences of addiction, help me stay clean and recover? Why should I be here in NA? Surely, I can do it alone... I know how...


Probably the only thing I ever could understand in my early days in NA is when everyone kept shouting at the end of my share, "Keep Coming Back", and I did just that...


And to know how NA works in our life, and miraculously make us stay clean for days and weeks and months and years, where we couldn't live without drugs in one form or another even for an hour before... you can start with reading the following information pamphlets that I am posting below...


Please give yourself a break, and try this way of life with an open mind, and if you are not satisfied with the results, you can always go back to drugs...


Glad you found us, and I hope you keep coming back...


Warm Regards and Fellowship Love,


Tahir, an addict in recovery.



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AM I AN ADDICT?


Only you can answer this question.


This may not be an easy thing to do. All through our usage, we told ourselves, “I can handle it.” Even if this was true in the beginning, it is not so now. The drugs handled us. We lived to use and used to live. Very simply, an addict is a person whose life is controlled by drugs.


Perhaps you admit you have a problem with drugs, but you don’t consider yourself an addict. All of us have preconceived ideas about what an addict is. There is nothing shameful About being an addict once you begin to take positive action. If you can identify with our problems, you may be able to identify with our solution. The following questions were written by recovering addicts in Narcotics Anonymous. If you have doubts about whether or not you’re an addict, take a few moments to read the questions below and answer them as honestly as you can.


1. Do you ever use alone? Yes �� No ��


2. Have you ever substituted one drug for another, thinking that one particular drug was the problem? Yes �� No ��


3. Have you ever manipulated or lied to a doctor to obtain prescription drugs? Yes �� No ��


4. Have you ever stolen drugs or stolen to obtain drugs? Yes �� No ��


5. Do you regularly use a drug when you wake up or when you go to bed? Yes �� No ��


6. Have you ever taken one drug to overcome the effects of another? Yes �� No ��


7. Do you avoid people or places that do not approve of you using drugs? Yes �� No ��


8. Have you ever used a drug without knowing what it was or what it would do to you? Yes �� No ��


9. Has your job or school performance ever suffered from the effects of your drug use? Yes �� No ��


10. Have you ever been arrested as a result of using drugs? Yes �� No ��


11. Have you ever lied about what or how much you use? Yes �� No ��


12. Do you put the purchase of drugs ahead of your financial responsibilities? Yes �� No ��


13. Have you ever tried to stop or control your using? Yes �� No ��


14. Have you ever been in a jail, hospital, or drug rehabilitation center because of your using? Yes �� No ��


15. Does using interfere with your sleeping or eating? Yes �� No ��


16. Does the thought of running out of drugs terrify you? Yes �� No ��


17. Do you feel it is impossible for you to live without drugs? Yes �� No ��


18. Do you ever question your own sanity? Yes �� No ��


19. Is your drug use making life at home unhappy? Yes �� No ��


20. Have you ever thought you couldn’t fit in or have a good time without drugs? Yes �� No ��


21. Have you ever felt defensive, guilty, or ashamed about your using? Yes �� No ��


22. Do you think a lot about drugs? Yes �� No ��


23. Have you had irrational or indefinable fears? Yes �� No ��


24. Has using affected your sexual relationships? Yes �� No ��


25. Have you ever taken drugs you didn’t prefer? Yes �� No ��


26. Have you ever used drugs because of emotional pain or stress? Yes �� No ��


27. Have you ever overdosed on any drugs? Yes �� No ��


28. Do you continue to use despite negative consequences? Yes �� No ��


29. Do you think you might have a drug problem? Yes �� No ��


“Am I an addict?” This is a question only you can answer. We found that we all answered different numbers of these questions “Yes.” The actual number of “Yes” responses wasn’t as important as how we felt inside and how addiction had affected our lives.


Some of these questions don’t even mention drugs. This is because addiction is an insidious disease that affects all areas of our lives—even those areas which seem at first to have little to do with drugs. The different drugs we used were not as important as why we used them and what they did to us.


When we first read these questions, it was frightening for us to think we might be addicts. Some of us tried to dismiss these thoughts by saying:


“Oh, those questions don’t make sense;”


Or,


“I’m different. I know I take drugs, but I’m not an addict. I have real emotional/family/job problems;”


Or,


“I’m just having a tough time getting it together right now;”


Or,


“I’ll be able to stop when I find the right person/get the right job, etc.”


If you are an addict, you must first admit that you have a problem with drugs before any progress can be made toward recovery. These questions, when honestly approached, may help to show you how using drugs has made your life unmanageable. Addiction is a disease which, without recovery, ends in jails, institutions, and death. Many of us came to Narcotics Anonymous because drugs had stopped doing what we needed them to do. Addiction takes our pride, self-esteem, family, loved ones, and even our desire to live. If you have not reached this point in your addiction, you don’t have to. We have found that our own private hell was within us. If you want help, you can find it in the Fellowship of Narcotics Anonymous.


“We were searching for an answer when we reached out and found Narcotics Anonymous. We came to our first NA meeting in defeat and didn’t know what to expect. After sitting in a meeting, or several meetings, we began to feel that people cared and were willing to help. Although our minds told us that we would never make it, the people in the fellowship gave us hope by insisting that we could recover. […] Surrounded by fellow addicts, we realized that we were not alone anymore. Recovery is what happens in our meetings. Our lives are at stake. We found that by putting recovery first, the program works. We faced three disturbing realizations:


1. We are powerless over addiction and our lives are unmanageable;


2. Although we are not responsible for our disease, we are responsible for our recovery;


3. We can no longer blame people, places, and things for our addiction. We must face our problems and our feelings.


The ultimate weapon for recovery is the recovering addict.”



-- Edited by Tahir at 11:18, 2006-09-17

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WHO, WHAT, HOW AND WHY


Who is an addict?


Most of us do not have to think twice about this question. We know! Our whole life and thinking was centered in drugs in one form or another—the getting and using and finding ways and means to get more. We lived to use and used to live. Very simply, an addict is a man or woman whose life is controlled by drugs. We are people in the grip of a continuing and progressive illness whose ends are always the same: jails, institutions, and death.


What is the Narcotics Anonymous program?


NA is a nonprofit fellowship or society of men and women for whom drugs had become a major problem. We are recovering addicts who meet regularly to help each other stay clean. This is a program of complete abstinence from all drugs. There is only one requirement for membership, the desire to stop using. We suggest that you keep an open mind and give yourself a break.


Our program is a set of principles written so simply that we can follow them in our daily lives. The most important thing about them is that they work. There are no strings attached to NA. We are not affiliated with any other organizations. We have no initiation fees or dues, no pledges to sign, no promises to make to anyone. We are not connected with any political, religious, or law enforcement groups, and are under no surveillance at any time. Anyone may join us, regardless of age, race, sexual identity, creed, religion, or lack of religion.


We are not interested in what or how much you used or who your connections were, what you have done in the past, how much or how little you have, but only in what you want to do About your problem and how we can help. The newcomer is the most important person at any meeting, because we can only keep what we have by giving it away. We have learned from our group experience that those who keep coming to our meetings regularly stay clean.


Why are we here?


Before coming to the Fellowship of NA, we could not manage our own lives. We could not live and enjoy life as other people do. We had to have something different and we thought we had found it in drugs. We placed their use ahead of the welfare of our families, our wives, husbands, and our children. We had to have drugs at all costs. We did many people great harm, but most of all we harmed ourselves. Through our inability to accept personal responsibilities we were actually creating our own problems. We seemed to be incapable of facing life on its own terms.


Most of us realized that in our addiction we were slowly committing suicide, but addiction is such a cunning enemy of life that we had lost the power to do anything about it. Many of us ended up in jail, or sought help through medicine, religion, and psychiatry. None of these methods was sufficient for us. Our disease always resurfaced or continued to progress until, in desperation, we sought help from each other in Narcotics Anonymous.


After coming to NA we realized we were sick people. We suffered from a disease from which there is no known cure. It can, however, be arrested at some point, and recovery is then possible.


How it works


If you want what we have to offer, and are willing to make the effort to get it, then you are ready to take certain steps. These are the principles that made our recovery possible.


1. We admitted that we were powerless over our addiction, that our lives had become unmanageable.


2. We came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.


3. We made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.


4. We made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.


5. We admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.


6. We were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.


7. We humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.


8. We made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.


9. We made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.


10. We continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.


11. We sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.


12. Having had a spiritual awakening as a result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to addicts, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.


This sounds like a big order, and we can’t do it all at once. We didn’t become addicted in one day, so remember—easy does it.


There is one thing more than anything else that will defeat us in our recovery; this is an attitude of indifference or intolerance toward spiritual principles. Three of these that are indispensable are honesty, open-mindedness, and willingness. With these we are well on our way.


We feel that our approach to the disease of addiction is completely realistic, for the therapeutic value of one addict helping another is without parallel. We feel that our way is practical, for one addict can best understand and help another addict. We believe that the sooner we face our problems within our society, in everyday living, just that much faster do we become acceptable, responsible, and productive members of that society.


The only way to keep from returning to active addiction is not to take that first drug. If you are like us you know that one is too many and a thousand never enough. We put great emphasis on this, for we know that when we use drugs in any form, or substitute one for another, we release our addiction all over again.


Thinking of alcohol as different from other drugs has caused a great many addicts to relapse. Before we came to NA, many of us viewed alcohol separately, but we cannot afford to be confused about this. Alcohol is a drug. We are people with the disease of addiction who must abstain from all drugs in order to recover.


The Twelve Traditions of NA


We keep what we have only with vigilance, and just as freedom for the individual comes from the Twelve Steps, so freedom for the group springs from our traditions. As long as the ties that bind us together are stronger than those that would tear us apart, all will be well.


1. Our common welfare should come first; personal recovery depends on NA unity.


2. For our group purpose there is but one ultimate authority—a loving God as He may express Himself in our group conscience. Our leaders are but trusted servants; they do not govern.


3. The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop using.


4. Each group should be autonomous except in matters affecting other groups or NA as a whole.


5. Each group has but one primary purpose—to carry the message to the addict who still suffers.


6. An NA group ought never endorse, finance, or lend the NA name to any related facility or outside enterprise, lest problems of money, property, or prestige divert us from our primary purpose.


7. Every NA group ought to be fully self-supporting, declining outside contributions.


8. Narcotics Anonymous should remain forever nonprofessional, but our service centers may employ special workers.


9. NA, as such, ought never be organized, but we may create service boards or committees directly responsible to those they serve.


10. Narcotics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the NA name ought never be drawn into public controversy.


11. Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion; we need always maintain personal anonymity at the level of press, radio, and films.


12. Anonymity is the spiritual foundation of all our traditions, ever reminding us to place principles before personalities.



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FOR THE NEWCOMER


NA is a nonprofit fellowship or society of men and women for whom drugs had become a major problem. We are recovering addicts who meet regularly to help each other to stay clean. There are no dues or fees. The only requirement for membership is the desire to stop using. You don’t have to be clean when you get here, but after your first meeting we suggest that you keep coming back and come clean. You don’t have to wait for an overdose or jail sentence to get help from NA, nor is addiction a hopeless condition from which there is no recovery. It is possible to overcome the desire to use drugs with the help of the Twelve Step program of Narcotics Anonymous and the fellowship of recovering addicts.


Addiction is a disease that can happen to anyone. Some of us used drugs because we enjoyed them, while others used to suppress the feelings we already had. Still others suffered from physical or mental ailments and became addicted to the medication prescribed during our illnesses. Some of us joined the crowd using drugs a few times just to be cool and later found that we could not stop.


Many of us tried to overcome addiction, and sometimes temporary relief was possible, but it was usually followed by an even deeper involvement than before. Whatever the circumstances, it really doesn’t matter. Addiction is a progressive disease such as diabetes. We are allergic to drugs. Our ends are always the same: jails, institutions, or death.


If life has become unmanageable and you want to live without it being necessary to use drugs, we have found a way. Here are the Twelve Steps of Narcotics Anonymous that we use on a daily basis to help us overcome our disease.


1. We admitted that we were powerless over our addiction, that our lives had become unmanageable.


2. We came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.


3. We made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.


4. We made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.


5. We admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.


6. We were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.


7. We humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.


8. We made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.


9. We made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.


10. We continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.


11. We sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.


12. Having had a spiritual awakening as a result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to addicts, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.


Recovery doesn’t stop with just being clean. As we abstain from all drugs (and, yes this means alcohol and marijuana, too) we come face-to-face with feelings that we have never coped with successfully. We even experience feelings we were not capable of having in the past. We must become willing to meet old and new feelings as they come.


We learn to experience feelings and realize they can do us no harm unless we act on them. Rather than acting on them, we call an NA member if we have feelings we cannot handle. By sharing, we learn to work through it. Chances are they’ve had a similar experience and can relate what worked for them. Remember, an addict alone is in bad company.


The Twelve Steps, new friends, and sponsors all help us deal with these feelings. In NA, our joys are multiplied by sharing good days; our sorrows are lessened by sharing the bad. For the first time in our lives, we don’t have to experience anything alone. Now that we have a group, we are able to develop a relationship with a Higher Power that can always be with us.


We suggest that you look for a sponsor as soon as you become acquainted with the members in your area. Being asked to sponsor a new member is a privilege so don’t hesitate to ask someone. Sponsorship is a rewarding experience for both; we are all here to help and be helped.


We who are recovering must share with you what we have learned in order to maintain our growth in the NA program and our ability to function without drugs. This program offers hope. All you have to bring with you is the desire to stop using and the willingness to try this new way of life.


Come to meetings, listen with an open mind, ask questions, get phone numbers and use them. Stay clean just for today. May we also remind you that this is an anonymous program and your anonymity will be held in the strictest of confidence. “We are not interested in what or how much you used or who your connections were, what you have done in the past, how much or how little you have, but only in what you want to do about your problem and how we can help.”



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Drittz i understand you think your loosing me as a friend but your not !!!i brought you here so me and you could come clean and try to better ourselves.When we met in vietnam we were good friends for all these years but all the drugs we have done through the years have started tearingour lives apart and when a person starts shooting herion in his testicals just 2 weeks after getting out of rehab isnt a very good thing!! im 59 and i dont have many years left on this earth so i have to atleast try to find answers and solutions.i am going to the doctor monday and tell him about me shooting herion in my testicles and try to get back in rehab if that dont work im gonna have to give up and let drugs take my life over.But i gotta try drittz and it would be alot easier with a friend ive known since vietnam.Please my friend lets try this



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Striker, I hope you will listen to those of us who have found a new way of life in NA.  Many try to find an easier way than going to NA, but we here who have been clean for years can tell you that NA is the easier way.  I've been clean for 5 1/2 years in NA.  I now have a good life, a happy child, we're both healthy and I no longer have to live in the hell of addiction.  I'm sure your friend means well, but his advice is dangerous.  And for goodness sake, please do not get another dog while you're in active addiction. 

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Stryker, I realize that your trying to help yourself. I mean I knew something was seriously wrong with you when you went to visit your moms grave last year and started shooting heroin right there. I was scared and didnt want to say anything, i honestly thought you were going to die in a cemetary. To tell you the truth i'm glad i havent been hanging out with you since you got into rehab as i dont want to see you shoot heroin into your testicles. I mean good lord man, what are you thinking. I hope you have goodluck at the doctors tomorrow and ill see if i can come visit you if you go to rehab. When you get out we can go for a beer.


I know nam' brought us together but its where we got a drug habbit also. I DONT want to point fingers but your the one who got me hooked. When we were on patrol in march of 67' you just passed out i thought you were sleeping and you said you want something to ease the tensions, i said hell yeah cause anything was good at that point. When we came to the whole village was on fire and half your paints were burnt off and i remember you carrying me out cause i couldnt walkt. Let me thank you for that. After the war we just hung out like old buddies and are habbit got bigger and bigger every day. I mean hell if it wasnt for our addiction maybe we wouldnt be friends, so atleast i  got something good out of the addiction.


Have you talked to your aunt and jeff about reconciling after showing up to their wedding in shorts and on drugs? You should, i mean tell them it was a mistake and you are trying to helpyourself, and you have stoppd haning out with me. I told u that would be a bad idea, however i dont think they will let me back in the friendship circle after the incident with the dog. Well good luck and talk to you later.



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REMOVED since I may be wrong but I doubt it.

-- Edited by BigV at 22:25, 2006-09-18

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No, its all serious. I wish it was all bull. We have had some bad experiences. We usta use every day and no there is no hope, anyways thanks for your consideration.

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uh excuse me? bigv inot sure i understand fully but if you think this is funny then maybe im in the wrong place.We are here for the same reason you guys are so please stop making accusations and  make this more uncomfortable that it already is.Maybe drittz goes too far  some times but thats just the way he is!!! he just dont want to change and i do so if you dont believe me then i need to leave!!!!! i will be at next meeting if you want to discuss this .0000000000000

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KEEP COMING BACK!!!

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Thinking of alcohol as different from other drugs has caused a great many addicts to relapse. Before we came to NA, many of us viewed alcohol separately, but we cannot afford to be confused about this. Alcohol is a drug. We are people with the disease of addiction who must abstain from all drugs in order to recover.



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Hey Striker, did you go to the Doctor yet? Get it done, my friend, so that you can put a stop to this menace in your life... You don't deserve it at all... There is no problem, no hardship, no adversity, that drugs or alcohol cannot make worse... You don't have to use, no matter what...


The message of NA is HOPE, the promise FREEDOM...


THAT NO ADDICT SEEKING RECOVERY NEED EVER DIE... WE DO RECOVER...



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thx tahir what you say is true! me being a herion addict is no worse that a alcaholic bigv i think just dont understand what being a herion addict is like we would sell our soles for a fix! im sorry for getting mad im here for help and friendship not to argue but i feel what bigv said may have made drittz very uneasy about this forum im trying to keep drittz from giving up on this na forum and that last remark dont help me none. Yes drittz is a little loose wired but arent we all?

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Hey Striker, I think you got it wrong about BigV and me and you and addiction itself... We have a disease of addiction that manifests itself physically, mentally and spiritually... thru the 4 specific symptoms of obsession (never ending stream of thoughts centered around drugs or even anything else), compulsion (succumbing to those thoughts and acting out), denial (denying what our addiction is doing to us inspite of the obvious wreckage in and around us due to it) and a spiritual void (trying to fill the emptiness within with drugs, alcohol, sex, gambling, food, shopping etc.)


What or how much we use is not our problem, WE ARE THE PROBLEM!!!


It's natural to go thru all that you are going thru in the beginning of our struggle to come to terms with our addiction... Justification, Rationalization, Distrust... these are the only things we ever felt and knew... I also was like you... I could see myself as I was way back some 6 years... I disliked and hated many members when I first tried NA... Later, I realized that they were wonderful, caring members who really really prayed and wished that my suffering ends and I find a new way to live, just like they did...


So Keep Coming Back... It Works... there is no one I have ever met in NA who wants me to go back to using and die... This love, acceptance and compassion is what made my recovery possible...



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Im sorry i went out for some food. I understand that alcohol is a drug and I drink responsibly, i very rarely drink and drive and its really close if i do. That being said i am a  moderate drinker and only drink on saturday and sunday. It really has helped me in i havent really been doing drugs at all anymore. I only drink beer, and i rarely find a women drunk enough of ugly enough to have sex with me so i dont have to worry about that filling in  anything.


I must admit i was somewhat discourraged at Bv and almost broke my weekend drinking habbit to a weekday. But i thought of my friend Stryker and what he was going through and said to myself I will not do that. I must be strong. SO i just got a coke with me meal instead of a beer. Im starting to come around, this is a good place to let loose and speak what you feel and dont have to worry about running in to another NA person while out with family or something.


Last person i paid to talk to did absolutely nothing but charge me. It was a "shrink" and alls it did was shrink my wallet size. I went for 4 1/2 years and still did heroin and still partied with stryker. I spent all my money on drugs and women. None of which are with me today. I felt used so thats what i did, i used until the sun came up and then used until it went back down. I really hope both of us can kick this habbit and be friends without the drugs and dead puppies, i hope we can put all of that behind us one day, and i make amense with his family. Thats what i expect out of this, or atleast a helpful kick in the rear to get me going.



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SO i just got a coke with me meal instead of a beer.






                                         



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