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Hello and welcome to MIP! My now 27 year old son was on Subs for a couple years for his Heroin addiction .In New York it was $80.00 a month and he weaned off of it. Here is some info from our website www.na.org about Bulletin #29

Bulletin #29

WORLD SERVICE BOARD OF TRUSTEES BULLETIN #29

Regarding Methadone and Other
Drug Replacement Programs

This bulletin was written by the World Service Board of Trustees in 1996. It represents the views of the board at the time of writing. 

Not all of us come to our first NA meeting drug free. Some of us were uncertain about whether recovery was possible for us and initially came to meetings while still using. 

Others came to their first meetings on drug replacement programs such as methadone and found it frightening to consider becoming abstinent. 

One of the first things we heard was that NA is a program of complete abstinence and "The only requirement for membership is the desire to stop using." Some of us, upon hearing these statements, may have felt that we were not welcome at NA meetings until we were clean. But NA members reassured us that this was not the case and we were encouraged to "keep coming back." We were told that through listening to the experience, strength, and hope of other recovering addicts that we too could find freedom from active addiction if we did what they did.

Many of our members, however, have expressed concern about individuals on drug replacement programs. Questions come up regarding such individuals' membership status, ability to share at meetings, lead meetings, or become trusted servants on any level. "Are these members clean?" they ask. "Can one really be a 'member' and still be using?"

Perhaps by answering the most important question firstthe issue of membershipwe can establish a context by which to approach this issue. Tradition Three says that the only requirement for NA membership is a desire to stop using. There are no exceptions to this. Desire itself establishes membership; nothing else matters, not even abstinence. It is up to the individual, no one else, to determine membership. Therefore, someone who is using and who has a desire to stop using, can be a member of NA.

Members on drug replacement programs such as methadone are encouraged to attend NA meetings. But, this raises the question: "Does NA have the right to limit members participation in meetings?" We believe so. While some groups choose to allow such members to share, it is also a common practice for NA groups to encourage these members (or any other addict who is still using), to participate only by listening and by talking with members after the meeting or during the break. This is not meant to alienate or embarrass; this is meant only to preserve an atmosphere of recovery in our meetings.
Our Fifth Tradition defines our groups' purpose: to carry the message that any addict can stop using and find a new way to live. We carry that message at our recovery meetings, where those who have some experience with NA recovery can share about it, and those who need to hear about NA recovery can listen. When an individual under the influence of a drug attempts to speak on recovery in Narcotics Anonymous, it is our experience that a mixed, or confused message may be given to a newcomer (or any member, for that matter) For this reason, many groups believe it is inappropriate for these members to share at meetings of Narcotics Anonymous. 

It may be argued that a group's autonomy, as described in our Fourth Tradition, allows them to decide who may share at their meetings. However, while this is true, we believe that group autonomy does not justify allowing someone who is using to lead a meeting, be a speaker, or serve as a trusted servant. Group autonomy stands only until it affects other groups or NA as a whole. We believe it affects other groups and NA as a whole when we allow members who are not clean to be a speaker, chair a meeting, or be a trusted servant for NA.

Many groups have developed guidelines to ensure that an atmosphere of recovery is
maintained in their meetings. The following points are usually included:

  • Suggesting that those who have used any drug within the last twenty-four hours refrain from sharing, but encouraging them to get together with members during the break or after the meeting. 
  • Abiding by our fellowship's suggested clean time requirements for service positions. 
  • Seeking meeting leaders, chairpersons, or speakers who help further our primary purpose of carrying the message to the addict who still suffers. 
We make a distinction between drugs used by drug replacement programs and other prescribed drugs because such drugs are prescribed specifically as addiction treatment. Our program approaches recovery from addiction through abstinence, cautioning against the substitution of one drug for another. That's our program; it's what we offer the addict who still suffers. However, we have absolutely no opinion on methadone maintenance or any other program aimed at treating addiction. Our only purpose in addressing drug replacement and its use by our members is to define abstinence for ourselves. 
Our fellowship must be mindful of what kind of message we are carrying if a still-using addict leads a meeting, or becomes a trusted servant. We believe that under these circumstances we would not be carrying the Narcotics Anonymous message of recovery. Permissiveness in this area is not consistent with our traditions. We believe our position on this issue reinforces our recovery, protects our meetings, and supports addicts in striving for total abstinence.

Note: This bulletin addresses the use of methadone maintenance as a drug replacement strategy. It is not addressing the medicinal use of methadone as a pain killer. We encourage those who have concerns about the use of methadone in pain management to refer to Narcotics Anonymous pamphlet, In Times of Illness.

 Pray and speak with your doctor,this is info about medication in NA.  Narcotics Anonymous teaches us a new way to live by the application of our spiritual principles,the Steps,worked with a sponsor and applied in all areas of our lives. Think about making a meeting and listening for a sponsor.I will lift you up in prayer and support...Let us know how you do...smile I also meant to say we have another Pamphlet "IN TIMES OF ILLNESS " on the site ,check it out at   www.na.org  under literature......



-- Edited by MIKEF on Tuesday 22nd of January 2013 06:54:57 PM

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IM on suboxin now im feeling ive traded one drug for another. I want to taper down but the dr said if i get off of it too soon i may relapse because ive used pain meds for soo many years. I dnt know what to do. Any advise would be appreciated.hmm



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NA is a program of abstinance from all drugs. Our literature warns against substituting one for another.
That being said, I know of several people who relapsed many times on opiates before finding suboxone.
Theses people have been successful staying off of street drugs and RX narcotics for several years,
whereas before they were on a seemingly endless cycle of using/detox/relapse.
I would suggest you pray and meditate on it.
good luck and let us know how your doing.

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Welcome. Congratulations on your decision to get off drugs. You are right to be concerned about suboxone. While it can be useful in the short-term for helping people with opiate withdrawal, it can lead to dependence and abuse.
The previous 2 posts provided you with information about NA. I suggest you go to some NA meetings, which are an essential part of our recovery program. You should be able to find lots of experience, strength and hope there.

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ok this is my goal....after reading all the literature. Tomm morning when i wake up i will not take my meds. im down to 8mg a day. Please pray with me for me. I will have no fear and look at my higher power for the strength to get thrue the withdraws. And continue to seek knowledge from my na meeting and support that i am seeking. i half to find a sponser asap.confuse



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Only you know when the best time is.
But you may be putting the cart before the horse, so to speak...
I would suggest that you get to some meetings, and listen.
When you feel comfortable, share what your going through
and listen some more.
pray for a sponsor to 'reveal' herself to you.
What I mean is by listening to the shares of other women in the program
and speaking with them before and after meetings, someone may resonate with you
that's the person to ask.
When you have developed a trusting relationship with your sponsor and you have gotten to know
each other a little, then talk to her about
when she thinks you should go off the suboxone.
this way you have someone to talk to if things get rough.
Maybe she has other sponsees and you can have a sponsee family support network.
These can be very strong ties.
Again, only you can make these decisions but in my experience it's easier to go through
this stuff with a sponsor.

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smileThanks for that advise. I have been going to meetings 2 times a week for 8 wks. Im just really ready to get on the true road of recovery without the suboxin...i shared this in group last night. i just havent asked 4 a sponser yet. im interested in a couple of the ladies i met and do feel a conection with i just havent ask. my problem is i dnt have a phone right now...just net and the meeting i attend. failure is not a option for me. i will be getting a phone in a month. Ill make it.



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Today is day 2 and im feeling posative and lots of meditation. The speaker tapes has also been very helpful. I know easy does it :)

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I too believe in the power of meditation.
Just Breathe.......................................................ahhhhhhhhh

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