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Post Info TOPIC: Experiences I Don’t Understand; Hidden Gems anywhere in it ?


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Experiences I Don’t Understand; Hidden Gems anywhere in it ?


Sometimes I have an experience that I dont understand;like the recurring anger with my mother.

Today was another instance of meaningless anger with her. There I am enjoying a holiday with my daughter and then we decide to watch TV with ma. Maybe the serial we were watching brought up anger, or maybe it came from unresolved issues but the next thing you know, there's a flare up. I become abusive, as I always am when very angry, in fact hateful.

I was trying to discuss how uncomfortable I am doing my music regularly in a bar. This morning , when I shared that with my daughter, I felt a Great Serene Prescence.

But in the afternoon, doing the same share with my mother leaves me feeling angry and frustrated. Why ? These are senseless act, dangerous to my recovery and also to my daughters emotinal well-being because she's watching this mad drama. The main issue here is how I feel ma is not listening and when I express that she says she is but all her actions say otherwise, including getting up abruptly and walking away. And the reason Im trying to share all this with her is in the hope of getting some good input or at least a patient hearing.

I feel I am not being heard. The worse thing is the feeling of being trapped in this relationship. I havent been like 99 percent of the population and either seperated from ma long ago or put her in an old age home.

What vexes me most is she has never been emotionally supportive and Ive still got to house her after all these years...

Moreover, I resent her for having come in between me and meaningful relationships I may have with women who were mutually attractive. 

In the beggining my mother was in my life because she was my mother. Then in my teens, she was supportive of my music so I stayed.

Later on in active addiction, she was there to guide, coax, threaten me away from it. Most of all she wanted to control me so that I control my using.

Then in recovery she stayed because she was a carer in terms of making food and we also ran a child day care center together for many years. But as we grew along different lines, she an everyday, commonsense person and me grounded in the 12 Step Tradition, we had more conflicts.

Then I got married and needed my mothers support because my wife was, unknown to me an epileptic and later invalid and dysfunctional. When our daughter was born, my mother took complete charge and brought up my baby. She met all my baby's need for mother, I think.

Then my father died and my mother gave up any claims on the property he left me and my brother, and so in consideration, I kept her with me.

Then a long drawn seperation and eventual divorce proceedings became a reality and my mother stood by me. She brought up my daughter as would a mother, and I was free to go out and earn my living. In continuation, when the court granted me sole custody of my baby, my mother gave up all else and cared for my daughter. This was more appreciated by me when I went to England to do my masters. At this same time, my new apartment was being built and ma was very involved in it too.

Then when it was completed, ma was very supportive, and it was very necessary she be so, especially as I was doing the very painful and tiring hep.c treatment.

Now all that said and done, having gone thru all that and now settled in the new house and ok am I holding my mother back from her spiritual development ? Am I commiting the sin of blocking her growth ?

My mother comes from a very alcoholic family. Her father and two elder brothers died from the sufferings of alcohol. Her five sisters are the strangest lot; unsupportive, invariably quarrelsome and disconnected. Then my father, though not an alcoholic, drank everyday.In the last years of his life, he neglected my mother and she had become indifferent to him. My younger brother and I caused havoc again, he with alcoholism and me with addiction and later emotionalism. And her daughter-in-law was problematic too as has her neices and nephews. 

I still have a lot of trouble accepting all of that.

So now the question is, am I blocking her spiritual development ?

Most important realization  of all has been that my mother, though having never even used so much a drop of alcohol or any other substance, comes across as a drama addict. Many times have I been an actor in that, leaving me in pain, confusion and frustrationcreasing by the years and . Sharing with other addicts kept me from going completely insane. The instances have been decreasing. Now though very rare, angry psycho-dramas as really upsetting for me. Ive escaped the acting many times but when I do act out, it leaves me and others completely devsatated.....

Many times have I tried to reckon a reason for these angry instances. Most of the time, nothing has been revealed, leaving it an unresolved, mad outburst. At times these instances have lead to me doing more Step work. But at other times, it lead to other actions that were not in my best interests.

It was once suggested to me to take another look; experiences that dont make sense, as well as any that we regret, are just as responsible for the good things in our lives as the experiences we do understand or label as good.

This is especially important to me now as Im again directionless and unsure of what to do. It is often at times like these that Ive made hard decisions and I think what's in the offing has been burning and brewing for sometime now.

Basically Im sick and tired of playing music in these bars on a regular basis. It dosent seem appropriate anymore. Its not about playing music; it's about who Im playing for and where ? Does it really make sense for a recovering addict to actually do these acts 5 nights a week, for months on end, surrounded by a culture that has alcohol and party drugs and partying as its main theme ? 

One of my aims is to do more recovery music and indeed do more recovery things. Among other things, Id first of all like to do more home-group meetings and service. Then theres the upcoming area Convention early next year, of which Im hospitality chair.

And as instructed by the class teacher, Im going to have to spend more time in the evenings with my daughter as she struggles with a large syllabus for her high school exams. I also want to do some lecturing on events management in colleges here, thereby utilizing my Masters degree. And taking music classes is another thing Ive been postponing for long now.

Thers also been very many requests to share individually in treatment centres. Then theres that bit of travelling Id like to do with visitors.

Im hoping God will take care, of my needs and give me one off events and give me enough income to support my fmily. It'd be fab to have other recovering addict to play music with.

And in voicing my concerns and fears to my mother I come up against a blank wall of pain, frustration, disappointment and confusion and am deciding never to repeat this mistake, just for today !

I decide to share emotions and problems with recovering addicts. My daughters got good ears for me too, as do professional people.

 



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Alrighty then!
Some story there Raman. Loads of info to digest.
You have posted before about your un ease with playing in bars. Last time if i recall,
it was a fear that you might relapse,, this time it sounds different, more like a dissatisfaction performing
for people who just want to party, and may in fact be acting out there own addictions.
As for mom? Well, what can i say. EVERYONE has issues with mom.
You sound in conflict because on the one hand she has been very good to you and your daughter, but on the other
there is the frustration of dealing with her on a daily basis.
Through prayer and meditation we seek God's will for us.
If we can make that connection we will know what to do.
simple, not easy.
thanks for sharing... I can't wait to hear others take on this post

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Raman wrote:

Basically Im sick and tired of playing music in these bars on a regular basis. It dosent seem appropriate anymore. Its not about playing music; it's about who Im playing for and where ? Does it really make sense for a recovering addict to actually do these acts 5 nights a week, for months on end, surrounded by a culture that has alcohol and party drugs and partying as its main theme ? 


I also feel uncomfortable and ill at ease when I'm around people who are drinking or using. It's like looking into a mirror at how I used to act. It's old and tired.

So I don't do it much. When invited to places where there is going to be drinking or using, I go early so I can socialize before the party 'heats up' and leave early.



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Wow thanks Don,, thanks for the patient reading..

Yep,, tlked to HP and pat came the reply
"you forgot the 10th"

By the evening, I made up to mom.
I hugged her, gave her a kiss and then the three of us had a talk.

We've kind of sorted out feelings that arose when I said I thought it was'nt appropriate to do these long drawn bar jaunts anymore.
The issue is leaving the familiar security of a steady income playing in the bar 5 nites a week vs. living in the open question !

And then ma says, Program like
"What was appropriate 6 months ago may not be so now".

And thats right.
The credit card issues have been cleared with closure on three cards for 1/4th due amounts.
Kid's school fees paid and some saving in the bank.

Moreover, Christmas and New Years have always been good ground for doing as many gigs as I get.
Bookings are already comin in, so fear of financial in-security are going away.
Theres also the tax refund Im getting from this contract.

So looks like a new adventure in the offing.
Seems like God's plan that in the one month left for this contract to finish, MORE WILL BE REVEALED !!

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Sounds like your Mother doesn't want to listen to your Recovery challenges.

How 'bout sharing the same stuff in NA Meetings, AND with your Sponsor! smile



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yes, youre right Mike.

I was voicing all that because there would be changes in my routine.
Thered also be a difference in the money flow, away from the steady income at Blue bar,
towards erratic but potentially more earnings.
Now that causes stress so I was just checking to see if they could be ok with that !

But youre right,, Im going to be sharing that with my sponsor soon, and have already done so at meetings and one-on-one.

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Thanks for sharing that "social behaviour" tip Rich...
Will do too...

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A shock came from a chance meeting with a young man who has been in treatment.

We were standing near the home group, on the street and chatting.
then I see a blown looking guy walk past and thought
"where have i seen this guy before ?".

Two minutes later this guy comes back and says to me
"Are you Raman man ? I need to talk to you".

That was 9 pm and I spent the next 5 hours listening to what happened.

This guy had met me when Id shared ESH and music in a sponsee's treatment center.
Then instead of backing that three months with regular attendance at meetings, he went out and used. 
He got used to a routine of using, streets, begging and then back to another center, till no one was willing to take him in.

Then on Sunday night, he did a Metallica concert. 50000 people and most of em sky high on anything from rum to designers. ( man you could hear that band loud and clear, 2 miles away where I was at)..
Our man gets a free designer LSD like stuff from Japan and without batting an eyelid gets loaded.
The next thing he knows is " the soul leaving the body".

He was still trippin and scared when we met him Monday night. He begged for help.
We walked four miles, got him food and he came down a bit.....and in the meanwhile shared the NA message !
Hopefully he will accept the kind offer of rehabilitation in a center here run by a recovering addict.

And in the midst of all that, i had a shock and a Spiritual Awakening about the music I was playing and where and who I was playing for.

Though Im careful never to play songs that mention drug use, most covers are still from back then...
And Im also thinking other job and career possibilities,,, tuff stuff for a 50 year old !!!

And Im thankful that i know that just for today, I never have to use again, no matter what !




-- Edited by Raman on Tuesday 1st of November 2011 12:17:29 PM

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By the way Mike,, how did the final roast of the Kenya Nyeri Kangocho do ?

Im from near coffee county myself,,, COORG !
Nice big plantations of robusta and arabica in the mountains about 150 miles from here.
We had our last area convention there !!!

Coffee and recovery,,

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Raman wrote:

By the way Mike,, how did the final roast of the Kenya Nyeri Kangocho do ?

Im from near coffee county myself,,, COORG !
Nice big plantations of robusta and arabica in the mountains about 150 miles from here.
We had our last area convention there !!!

Coffee and recovery,,


 Roast went great. Looking at another Kenya from same co-op different mill.

Yeah, India has some decent coffees. Also some interesting coffees like Monsooned Malabar. Think one of my favorites, as much for the name as the cup, is Mysore Nuggets Extra Bold. Always get a kick out of the name when we carry it!

Yeah, you have some tough choices to make. Stick with security in a less than ideal atmosphere or go it more alone. No guts no glory. And of course pray and meditate on it. I could still be working for Corporate America making in the top 1%, and still be unhappy and unsatisfied at work. Instead I love what I'm doing and am below broke (can we say piles of debt to keep the business afloat during this lovely recession), and that's ok.



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Wish I had great some earth shattering ESH to share, but I don't. I can relate to the feelings of uneasiness presented by huge life changes at a time when I thought my life would be settling down, as you express. It is frightening to let go and completely trust in something/someone/being that I have not clearly defined nor can I see or feel or touch. But I have seen how God as one understands God works in others lives, and I am trying to learn how to have that trust in my own Higher Power. It is good that you seem to be able to identify what it is that is troubling you, your unease in playing your music in an environment you are no longer comfortable in, as it goes against the principles of what you beleive in. Our parents were brought up in a generation believing that you did what you had to do to make a living, whether you loved it or hated it. And especially as a man, you are expected to be the provider, so perhaps your Mother has a bit of a sense of that in her thought process. As someone in recovery who is also in their 50's, I feel I have wasted a lot of life in my active addiction. I no longer want to waste my life, I want to live it to it's fullest. "Be all that I can be", so to speak. Too bad I'm not sure exactly what that is. So I guess I'll just continue to try to learn from others such as yourself who have gone or are going through it already. And turn it over to God as I understand him, learn to listen for the answer and trust enough to take the guidance. Peace.

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"Our parents were brought up in a generation believing that you did what you had to do to make a living, whether you loved it or hated it."

Thanks Kelley,, fantastic, meaningful insight !!

Yes, my moms 72 now and from that age group that believed in that sort of thing..

And here I am, proclaiming my "free to be me" ideology, and the twain shall never meet eh ?

Well, Im glad our Program proclaims that "True Spiritual values will never be in conflict"...

and then I have my 16 year old to look after.
Im single and my daughter is all-dependent on me, though Grandma's a close second.

Sometimes it's overwhelming. that's why, like you say, sometimes we need to go by Faith alone,,,,,

Thanks for sharing,,,,,

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Hi Mike Mc. thanks for the share on career/ job choices.....

Well in fact, some of the most "connected" performances I gave was in coffee shops.....

Maybe I'll get folks here in Bangalore to start a 24 hour jazz-indo-retro coffee-music place !!!

With God all things are possible they say,, coffee, cake, pizza, burgers, indo and music live !!!

The Barista's, Qwicky's and Javacity were all doin that and slacked off.
So now maybe Ill do them a project ???



-- Edited by Raman on Wednesday 2nd of November 2011 05:41:51 AM

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Interesting you mention this. About a year ago, I was asked to help out a band get off the ground as their keyboardist/arranger/additional composer. At first, I was really excited, as these folks are pretty awesome musicians... on the flip side, they're also some pretty heavy users... using buddies...

At the time, I had 3 years clean. It took lots of talking things out with my sponsor and folks in the program. Finally I decided that, although music is my passion, I couldn't put myself at risk.

I'm very thankful for the guy who asked me as he let me know the risks before I could say anything. He knew I was in recovery, but wasn't sure how comfortable I would be around all of them. I fretted over how to tell him "no" but was surprised with how understanding he was when I did.

I occasionally will arrange things for them, but as far as performing/rehearsing/hanging out... that's not my scene anymore.

I realize this isn't related to a "full time gig," but felt it relevant to share some ES&H. Have a great one!

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Thanks Amanda,,,, spot on in terms of what kind of musicians I choose to associate with.

On this contract, I have a young woman that's singing jazz standards and some retro and she's a good character.
We do all our music through midi files.

I could have done band acts, but all of em, whether blues, pop, rock or jazz or Indo are into drugs,, so im featured as a solo act.
Saxman Raman may be a small timer but has the satisfaction doing music without the bondage of blown out bods and gals.

Gosh,, I wish Id been in your city,, we'd have rocked the town with our own clean band !!!

hmmmmmmm,,,,, sigh,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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and just this day, I heard Steven Tyler's interview after his face broke in S.America.
Im glad he mentions Program, Bless him...

And im thinking
"If these big, big dudes can still be playin, why not I"

and reports say he really sang his ass off,, one of his best performances in a long on time,,,
Program at work ??

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Im glad he mentions Program, Bless him


I understand how we can be tempted to applaud a celebrity spreading the message, but it's a two edged sword.
Just last year, his band was shopping for a new lead singer because he had relapsed.
It's just another reason why anonymity is the spiritual foundation of our program.

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Smith without Steve ???

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Clapton's another inspiration...

well, seems Tyler mentioned Program to assure fans he hadnt relapsed and fell and broke his face and tooth,,,

yes,, that said,, celebrities do get too visible, especially in context of the 11th Tradition,,
"maintain anonymity at he level of press, radio and films"....

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