Hello Raman! how are you my friend!Being married 3 times and divorced twice,never being faithful to any partners in my relationships excpt my presentI had to really look a this area as it was tearing me up.Even though I remained faithful pysically in my now marriage my 'affairs of the mind" were worse than actual cheating for me.My faith beliefs were eating me alive and I couldnt get honest with my self.Check this out...about 8 months ago I stepped out and took a course at my church called"personal holiness intimes of tmptation"It was what I woulfd call for me a "spiritual awakening.I learned about the truths that THE God of my understanding had written down for me and I studied them.It told me that I was DIRECTED TO give my body to my wife and her to me,,,,,,,, to satisfy my needs and mine for hers.Instead of having affairs of the mind over other women I picture my wife in my mind and during times of temptation(and my God tells me that He would not let me be tempted more than I can bear without a way out for me...... I immediately pray and it helps me 'stop the temptation in my mind.Now for those who arent married the answer is to unfocus from the physical temptation an to get into the spiritual focus.This is extremely hard as we are human,but God I dont believe,gave us all our sexuality only to torture us with lust ,affairs of the mind and no way to relieve them.I have been able to share with my sponsor my deep inner secrets of previuos lustful sick situations,free myself and it helps me stay true to my course.I am 62 years old and have never been in a period of life like this before.I have such a strong sex drive that I would have to self satisfy 3 /4 times a day even in marriage,Its kind of like the 'desire to use ' has been lifted because I am able to have my needs met in my marriage.Again if I wasnt married i think I would struggle much more but I do believe that there would also be a way my HP would help me attain "my personal; holiness ' in times of temptation.I am still driven by the beauty of women and my desires are stll strong in that area but Im telling you there has been an awakening for me that has taken my life to another level.In fact i I am almost afraid that this wont continue to work for me and i'll revert back to my 'affairs of the mind,but I REMAIN FAITHFUL THAT GODBROUGHT ME HERE SO He wont drop me now..Dont know if this makes sense my friend ,but it is definitely a miracle in my life.This has always been a devasting area of my life since I was a little child..Remember I am talking from the side of one who is married,being single will be another side of this coin,Many of the 'spiritual men that I have read from talk about the importance of a relationship as not to be driven insane by lust,but they also say that they remain celebate to give all their focus to their God. wow!!!!!! peace my friend,I continually pray for your serenity and peace in your journey thru life as I do all others here,including myself!!!!!
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H,ha, thanks Lee,,, Il take a hint from your honesty !
Thanks,, great identification with you on the affairs of the mind subject ! Il admit that i get bored easily and will fantasize about another woman I fancy,, while Im actually physically with my current flame !
Gods sake, its been difficult being physically with a gf but seeing another woman and thinking " Shed be better" or "I wish (so and so) would exchange places with her "
Many times Ive read in media that it is ok for a man and woman to fantasize like that, just to break the monotony ! But I know that "what we learnt is subject to revision, especially about the TRUTH " (Basic Text )
The hep.c treatment put paid to my sexual desires for a long 7 months and I was celibate by choice for about 6 months before that. Now that the treatment is over and successful and Im regaining my drives and along with it the sex drive,,LIBIDO !
Im Meditating and taking input from worthies like you so I learn how to live with it,, not overindulge or force celibacy on myself !
And God knows Im trying to cope !!
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Hey back Raman! I am glad you are getting back in condition and grateful for the mercy from the treatments.I believe I told you a while back that one of my few survivng friends from the "war' also had the treatments about year and a half ago and he is good now,was very difficult for him also.I appreciate the kind words but believe me I really struggle in this area like I said, God had to definitely step in this spot for me....As long as I see progression in all areas of my life I feel I'm moving forward. My readings say"For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on things of the flesh,but those who live according to the Spirit,set theirminds on things of the Spirit!! This is where the "work" comes in.... it seems to fall in place with working the process,to the best of our abilities!!!I can only think that no matter what 'relationship" comes , if we try and work it in our HP's WILL , it will be okay!If we give it our best and let God run the show,l believe all will be well.Like I always say "If God is for us ,who can be against us!! Peace my friend ,good talking with you.....
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Well, seems like either folks are shy or defensive about sharing how this instinct afects them,,,or perhaps they are very, very manageable in this regard !!!
Hmmmmm,, anways,,,
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I know that my sponsor had said " just because we work the Steps dosent mean we will fully recover. We do recover to the extent that we live the NA Program "
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Seems to me like when the sexual situations become unmanageable, the only way out is to throw myself the harder ( ha,ha !!) into helping others.
The Spiritual Program of Narcotics Anonymous has taught me that it is ok to question the beliefs that were drilled into me from religious viewpoints. Gradually, I need to develop an understanding of what works for me and what dosent.
What dosent work for me is guilt leading to shame and fears in context of sexual practices. Shame and fear have come both from solitary practices as well as when with partners. What feels good are joy,sharing and caring and a practcing sexual loving kindness !
That said however, the disease will try to put me in embarassing situations, therefore its me that has got to stop acting out. Examples of acting out for me have been porno, lusting with the eyes, stalking the streets looking for action and such like.
Im also aware that sexual identity has been very confusing for me, leading towards very contradictory behaviour !!!
So,, I need to be guided still !
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Raman an addict clean and serene just for today in NA Worldwide ; live to love and love to live the NA Way !!!
And yes, my personality is studded with markers imposed by others about righ and wrong behaviour. Was considered deviant, eccentric, weird etc. and then I believed all those things about me. Thank God now the OLD LIE IS DEAD !
Since my alst girlfriend about a year ago, Ive stayed put. For the best part I was very content to not have to face the rigmarole of having someone else impose their views of right and wrong on me. I also got a lot of time to think "WHO AM I?" without the distortion of the prescence of another.
But the relationship craving is gradually getting strong and I know that because the treatment is over and been successful, there is a new freedom in my life.
And yes, I want tro make right choices, strong choices this time around !
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Abstaining from sex, spending, and for that matter, drugs too, always led to being depressed.
Been long since I used drugs,, but only recently abstained from complusive sex and spending !!
The urge does come up and when I abstain from spedning and sex, it is usually followed by depression. To add to my misery, the last year was Hep.C treatment time, and all the attendant suffering that highlighted the depression and sense of isolation.
But,,, the big but,, is the fact is that support from Fellows and following the NA Program takes me safely thru those feelings !
Works without fail each time !
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Raman an addict clean and serene just for today in NA Worldwide ; live to love and love to live the NA Way !!!
Sometimes all this tension and stress and rigmarole of everyday living prompts me to think
"I wish I can be faraway, in a nice place, with lots of money and a cute girlfriend "
Oh so lovely,,,,brings to mind a song Ive loved
Quiet nights of quiet stars quiet notes from my saxophone floating on the silence that surrounds us. Quiet thoughts and quiet dreams quiet walks by quiet streams and a window that looks out on the mountains and the sea, oh how lovely
This is where I want to be here with you so close to me until the final flicker of life's ember. I who was lost and lonely believing life was only a bitter tragic joke, have found with you, the meaning of existence, oh my love
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Raman an addict clean and serene just for today in NA Worldwide ; live to love and love to live the NA Way !!!
why should I worry that you might not love me, youre not the only lover Iveever had your sweet memories will always comfort me so why should I be feeling sad
as far as I can tell you knew so well that I was always at the end of the line I loved you as much as any man can but not enough to make you mine
You let a good love die you let it pass us by cause you tried to keep me hanging on and with all this doubt it will never work out so tommorow Il be travelling on
so long easy rider I think Ill miss you for a while but sooner or later I know that Il forget you
Free me, come on and free me Free me from your spell !!!
Treating a woman as a person, vibing on a friend level and not looking at her as a sex object has been a key to Serenity and success with women.
Well then, what is the problem with women ? Aw heck,, you cant live with them and you cant live without them,,,, Ha,ha,ha, spoken from real experience !!!
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Raman an addict clean and serene just for today in NA Worldwide ; live to love and love to live the NA Way !!!
My most "shameful secret" about my sex life is certainly the solitary sexual practices !
Just for today, Im greatful that Im not in that obssession; I dont enjoy solitary sex anymore. The weird fact is that I never did enjoy it in the past 25 years but was compusive anyways.
Now I know, I never have to do that agin, no matter what, just for today !
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And in order to get away from those feelings, I was driven straight towards instant, paid sex.
Lived like that till I got married at age 33. Funny how that need for instant gratification left me when I was married, but came back with a bang (pun unintended) when the seperation took place.
And its credit to NA that in those five years that I was married, never once was I unfaithful,, never even touched another woman.
Late in that marriage, nearly five years into it,, we split. Nothing related to sexual issues,,,
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Raman an addict clean and serene just for today in NA Worldwide ; live to love and love to live the NA Way !!!
The most outstanding thing when I do solo sex is that I am left with a feeling of having been selfish and not shared myself with a woman, who amy also have been in need for love and friendship ! !
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My theory to explain my sexual behaviour is really quite simple; I believe it is the result of lusting for my mother ( her breasts) then her noticing that, reprimanding me and then me feeling rejected and intensely ashamed !
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gosh, damn, maki whatever "£$%^&***** the old handshakes have become a compulsive thing again,,, torturing me with its frustration afterwards and false promises preceding ,,,,, what the hell/heaven am I supposed to do to stop doing that ?
Escape into a relationship ? Promise myself celibacy ? Go on doing what Im doing without understanding why Im doing this ?
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Raman an addict clean and serene just for today in NA Worldwide ; live to love and love to live the NA Way !!!