I'm not sober if I do some dope, and I'm not clean when I'm full of alcohol.
Sober indicates clarity of thought, soundness of mine... "sobering experience" doesn't mean someone was intoxicated, simply means it brought them back to a place of reality when they were stuck on stupid stuff in their heads.
I haven't done any dope in 20 years and I'm sober today.
Yes at some meetings we read the"clarity statement" with all other readings(whos an addict,how it works etc.)If I am on another fellowships site I may refer to being clean/sober as it is not stated not to in their principles and traditions.....I have seen people called on their use of THE TERM "sober" in my NA meetings,ESPECIALLY BY OLDTIMERS......'Clarity statement is pretty clear on the issue in Narcotics Anonymous.....
-- Edited by MIKEF on Saturday 9th of January 2010 07:02:06 PM
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Our purpose is to remain clean,just for today,and to carry the message of recovery.
i don't care what you call it as long as i can have and keep it sobriety or clean time it means the same to me i have used and abused just about every thing known to man and some things i invented so if you got it keep it what ever works for you is fine by me
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some of us win some of us lose with god and this program i will be a winner
ABSTINENT i'm abstinent will that make everyone happy i say sober has 2 meaning sober as in DRY or abstinent , sober as in sober minded clear thinking and free of obsession and compulsions, clean from narcotics, its a pretty small thing to argue over .
I go to a lot of AA meetings some of them DO seperate drugs from alcohol some even ask that to clarify yourself as an alcoholic not an addict they are closed meeting FOR alcoholics no addicts welcome LOL how about that. So i say I am clean and sober but hoenstly im not really very damn sober minded im real freaken dry from alcohol and real clean from dope but not real sober, HUH ? -- Edited by BigV on Sunday 10th of January 2010 06:24:27 AM
-- Edited by BigV on Sunday 10th of January 2010 06:27:15 AM
Here is why I think it is important not to use "sober" or "clean and sober" It provides a point of difference rather than similarity. Our disease is cunning. If a new comer hears one person say they are "sober" another say "clean" and a third say "clean and sober" he/she may easily get the idea that there are 3 different types of addicts in that room. It can weaken the unity and identification. The other reason is that NA in it's clarity statement makes it clear that NA language requires us to say "Clean" It is disrespectful in my opinion.
i used to get really hung up in NA specific language, and all that. i'm respectful to whatever fellowship i happen to be sitting among. if i'm in an NA meeting, particularly a closed meeting, or one where the clarity statement is part of the format - then i tow the line. if at an AA meeting - then guess what... i'm an alcoholic!
i don't give two whips about what i need to introduce myself as, or which book i quote from (although i've gotten them confused more than once! haha) - i know why i'm there, and i'm just glad to be among other people that want to move forward in their recovering life.
There's a shadow just behind me, shrouding every step I take, making every promise empty, pointing every finger at me. Waiting like a stalking butler who upon the finger rests. Murder now the pattern must we, just because the son has come?
Jesus, won't you f'ing whistle something but the past and done? Jesus, wont you f'ing whistle something but the past endured?
Why can't we not be sober? I just want to start this over. And why can't we drink forever? I just want to start this over.
I am just a worthless liar. I am just an imbecile. I will only complicate you. Trust in me and fall as well. I will find a center in you. I will chew it up and leave, I will work to elevate you just enough to bring you down
Mother Mary won't you whisper something but the past is done. Mother Mary won't you whisper something but the past is done.
Why can't we not be sober? I Just want to start this over. Ah, why can't we sleep forever? I just want to start this over.
I am just a worthless liar. I am just an imbecile. I will only complicate you. Trust in me and fall as well. I will find a center in you. I will chew it up and leave, Trust me, trust me, trust me, trust me, and trust me
Why can't we not be sober? I just want to start things over. Why can't we sleep forever? I just want to start this over.
I want what I want, I want what I want, I want what I want, I want what I want
I want what I want, I want what I want, I want what I want, I want what I want
I want what I want, I want what I want, I want what I want, I want what I want
I want what I want, I want what I want, I want what I want, I want what I want
I want what I want, I want what I want, I want what I want, I want what I want....
i say sober has 2 meaning sober as in DRY or abstinent , sober as in sober minded clear thinking and free of obsession and compulsions, clean from narcotics, its a pretty small thing to argue over .
