This creit card thing is certainly a part of the disease. Me spending on things I dont reaaly need, and them not even sending proper statements on a regular basis. So today I decided that I have had enough. I asked my famly not to give them any answers; we have been requesting statements for wo years now and havent got it, so we are not under any obligations. This credit card thing and the clutter Ive built up, thinking it was part of "abundant living" offers a lot of scope for resentments, the way this deiease of addiction gets us trapped !
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Once the compulsion to use was taken away through grace my disease began talking in other ways. One way is the compulsion to drive way to fast. Another is the compulsion to purchase things I dont really need.
Payday is a trigger. Thank HP the trigger is not to buy dope . But the trigger to hit the stores or worse for me E-bay . This is a problem that takes just as much vigilance as the dope itself .
Working the steps in EVERY area is something that Ive found takes a frustratingly huge amount of work.
I imagine , hope or ( careful here) Expect , that as time goes by things will come more naturally and that my mind will stay in solutions more readily . Till then I see the problem and address it as it comes. Take it easy comes to mind .
The power of prayer has shown itself in this area. I very much wanted a new putter. I compulsed over it. It obsessed my thoughts. I scoured E-bay. I looked in every store I went to. I thought constantly of it. The Odyssey white hot blade. I had to have it. It certainly wasent in the budget and owners of them that were selling were still in love with them. Finally I had to let it go. Then a golfer I had just met in the program and I went to a convention fund raiser. There was a T-shirt he really wanted and had bid on. I kept sneaking in and driving the bid up behind his back. I won the auction and then gave him the shirt. All for a good cause.
Without ever saying anything about my dream putter to him he showed up at my house to get me for an out of town meeting. Because of the T-shirt thing he wanted to give me something. He presented to me a near new putter EXACTLY like the one I had been wanting .
The old me says thats a coincidence , The new me says............Thanks God.
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One thing I forgot. My prayers were not for the putter I wanted. My prayers were for HP to help me get out of this selfish desire to just spend money for no reason. The prayer not to spend the money and release me from the compulsion to spend was answered. And then......The putter showed up.
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Yeah, the old "It works if you work it." I don't remember when, but at some point in my clean time I began to actually practice these principles (all 12 steps, exactly "as is") in all my affairs. Especially my brutal relationship with money, debt, and bad decisions. I keep one card for emergency use only, live on a written budget, and am very blessed to be free now of the impulse-must have-must spend-compulsions and obsessions.
Just this morning I was looking a beautiful drawing I did in oil crayon, which looks like a painting-anyway, the scene was a view from my parent's house, of a field and a mountain in the distance. When they died, my sister and I each got a house. All I have left of mine is that picture on my wall. And that's enough.
A few months ago I received a shocking notice that I still owe $10,000 in student loans that I swear on my sobriety I thought I'd paid off 3 years ago. They'll drop the interest & fees for the 3 years because they didn't send me any notices, but still!!! My odds of paying it off before I croak ain't that good LOL.
But ya know what? Other than that I am debt free, content, have what I need, and always get what I need when God sees fit. I think it has something to do with practicing these principles in all my affairs. Practice, practice, practice.
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Hey Raman! MikeF here..When i began my recovery in dec.84 ,I immediately subbed back in for using ,my gambling jones.During first year or so got in real trouble wacking cards up for cash advances to put on 'LUCKY BOY' IN THE FIRST AT BELMONT PARK.Was out of control,wife was nuts,was nice guy when winning ,couldnt live with me when i was losing(imagine that)never won!!We had to claim bankruptcy to bail out,I had to detox from that jones.Dont you know about 15 years later ,right back at it although because we were doing our family life with 2 kids on the cards(no excuse).We both work in Human Services and though comfortable we were not good with$$$.Voila!! 2nd time chapter 13,,..We been clean from that for awhile but still manage to have couple cards with bigger debt than we would like.I drive a 90 buick and we own a 2001 nissan so we can go somewhere without borrowing a car..Finally I am gettin a grip and were doin okay..Man its like where do these things come from(hellooo!!!)anyway I hear you...'just for today"Cards are locked up!!Like Lee said Im trying to incorporate my spiritual principles in my $$$ business.Takes some of us long time!!! Good talkin with you peace mikef (LAST SONG ON MY PLAYLIST BEFORE LEAVIN WORK TODAY 'love supreme pt2..."right after 13 minute version of "my favorite things>>>got the marbles movin around in my head,yeah man.........
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Oh Mikef, Love Supreme, thanks dear friend !!!! Seems John played soprano on Favourite Things because because Miles had given him a nce Selmer as a gft sometime before that ! What a trend John set for generations to follow. If ever Im lucky enough to visit America, after pilgrimage of WSO and then NA groups accross the country, and tryng to meet few you,the next thing is to visit the Temple of St. John of Coltrane, wherever that maybe. In fact, Ims seriously comsidering a three month jazz teachers course in any Uni. in the US,,,, hmm,,daydreaing again.
Yes Anthony, I relly need to share about the credit card stuff with my sponsor. The thing is I learnt this behaviour from my compulsive debtor grandma when I was a kid and then tee. Now my grandma is a happy citizen of the greatest democracy of the world, the US while me, a f!"£$%^ bozo and addict and struggling to live life on life's terms. Thanks for sharing the putter episode,, great stuff. In my case, I was really obssessede with billiards where both assets and defects came to the fore. 10 years of playing that game in recovery has left me with a dozen trophies including a few winners, and a host of friends. But the downside was that I could have gone on to greater things except that I let greed and anger efect my reputation. I havent been playing some time now, but that game me lots of real lessons. The victories were exuberant and exhilirating while losing in the finals because of anxiety or silly mistakes left me mad and seething for days. My girlfriend of that tiem encouraged me to leave the game alone for sometime, and my life has changed ever since. I wish you the best with your golf. A sponsee of mine in the old hometown has taken the game seriously and is up few notches all the while; whew, what we addicts can do when we set our minds to it !!!!
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That scene about you house is very poigant Lee,, thanks for sharing that ! I actually pictured that painting on your wall,,,,your share was that vivid ! I pray to God to bless you with such a house,, if that is what you want ! I know Im acting out the Eastern Miracle guru thing out, but you never know, lost possiblities arise and new dreams awaken, and the pheonix shall rise !
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Hey Raman! dont know if I told you ,i think i responded to dean thinkin he was the pool player.Real quick.my gramps owned a poolroon in upstate new york ,on weekends he would let me clean tables and then i was allowed to play(back in days of ivory balls,drop pockets etc)Iwas around 10,11 or 12??anyway after being beat all the time I got good,earned money as a teen playing 6 ball,9 ball and straight pool.then game called odd ball came around(got paid for making ways(low bals 1 GROUP,HIGH BALLS OTHER GROUP .PAID ON THE AMOUNT OF WAYS.($1.00 A WAY ETC)always had a pocket full of money ,easy come easy go.left new york for service(1965-1970)played 9 ball with luther"wimpy "lassiter in norfolk virginia,went to baltimore played 1 pocket (got killed tough game) Joe Balsis was straight pool champ.also started playing snooker overseas and 5by 10 tables.right before I left navy in 1970 lost all my cash in a game,had to wait three weeks for mustering out pay was nothing unusual...(buddy left me a$20.00 attached to my locker"hey mike figured you might need this" never saw him again!!anyway after got out drugs and alcohol took their toll.never got it back.still watch all players here and on tv though.kind a like drugs high when your winning ,depressed and manic when your losing(dont you know)loved paul newman in original "hustler and then ' COLOR OF MONEY,ACTUALLY READ THE BOOK,THE ORIGINAL.WAS A TRIP ,CHERISH YOUR TROPHIES REMEMBER THE GOOD PARTS..hope your doin well cant remember if i told you this or not.1967 just finished paying off my first cue( a beautiful PARADISE.LINEn WRAP bout $200.00 WAS A LOT BACK THEN BEFORE BALABUSHKAS..Was hiking over chesapeak bay bridge heading to new york on a 48 hour weekend.left in back of guys car that picked me up,when i got out ,never saw it again.Loved that cue!!anyway more of those days of glory(short lived)remember the good times and cherish the memories.. i'll talk to you on the rebound hope all goin well peace
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Thanks for that fab share Mikef, im greatful that youre in the Forum mate ! Keep em a coming whenever you can,,, (maybe catch up on a game of online pool with you sometime, heh heh heh !) I believe you are blessed to have been where you were; in NY then. The jazz, the pool, the business etc. must have been an experience one can never forget in a lifetime. And to think that all my aunt from Flushing wanted me to do was to just tape one sone from my sax and send it to her. Then shed get me into NY University for the Jazz Program. Addiction made me a shy, introverted loser !
So I had to make do with the hippie and Yogi spots of India, like Goa, Jodi, Hampi etc. And like you say, memories for a lifetime !
The Basic text clearly says that we are greatful fr what we have done in the past, I certainly am !
-- Edited by Raman on Monday 3rd of August 2009 06:52:09 AM
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it is wierd how our disease can change horses almost to fast to keep up with it if you are not vigilant i have gone thru some of the same stuff and just stopping other behaviors is a full time job as well i still have to remind myself that i have to give my hp the control cause i have none once i do that i can get along alittle better i have been working on cleaning up my credit card debt i consolidated to a card that has no interest and make double payments i have a small debt left then i am free of that if drug addiction was that easy ha ha take it easy and let god have the ball it will get better
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Hi Rocky, welcome back. Nice to get your experience and hope. Im really whacked out on this cards thing. The outstanding thing is my belief that it simplifies things. However it can complicate things too. I have an issue with one card for about 100 dollars. Im refusing to pay any more instalments and am taking them to court. I have not recieved a single statement from hem in two years now. I have been accepting andtolerating it but no more. I am being swindled so I am goping to stop them short. Who knows ? I maybe onto a "shibboleth shattering" experience and may also muster other such victims and together we'll take that card-bank apart and expose them for the charlatans that they are, heh heh ! Im raring to go, let's go get those mothers !!! And in the meanwhile Ill have to cope with the repayments o these other cards, just fpr today and one payment at a time.
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I had 2 years clean and a wonderful new husband who loved me unconditionally.
NOW I have spent and spent and gambled and gambled and have taken everything he had and lost it ..... His 401k hardship loan. ,my 401 k money from my xhusband. and all our credit cards are maxed. When we got the hardship money i caught up some bills paid alot on the cards etc...and blew the rest!!!Imagine , just imagine how i cant even look at him ....... god help me i dont know what to do!I know I have to get back into recovery, but that doesnt fix this financial mess!!
My counseler asked me if it was any different than spitting on his face or cheating on hiM????Is that accurate to you all> honestly>?
bankruptcy i think is our only option. I hate to do it know because my husband is 46 and am afraid we will never be homeowners....and that is all he wants!@!!!!
Anybody got any wisdom on this? will we be able to get credit afterwards if we do that? He has a good job as an airline mechanic, been there 11 years and is "topped out' meaning he makes top dollar......
Thanks ahead of time for any wisdom someone can give me!!! carol
I can only share with you that this credit card thing, gambling and other compulsive behaviour is all about addiction without drugs.
I have been a complusive spender ever since I got into recovery and began to do well. Now all my cards are maxed out.
I'd be in a lot of trouble if my life had not changed again yesterday when I landed a good job. There I was, thinking about how I'd survive when this Grace of God brought in a lucky break.
God Bless you and your hubby who you ,ove so much. Its bad taste to give you any advice but the bottom line is to do the Steps, they are the only solution Ive ever experienced that keeps me away from disease and self-destruction.
I know that you will recover in good time, just let the miracle happen.
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