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new life


people say life is such a precious thing. only if there is a purpose for it. treatment is going fine. me on the other hand im not doing so fine. for some reason i can stay clean for a month but after that i just dont care anymore. i cant stay clean longer than a month. everytime i just end up using. and im at that stage right now that i dont care if i live or die i dont care if im clean or not clean. each day gets harder and harder and im wiped out. i could barely get out of bed this morning. my sister had a baby girl yesterday and i cant even go to see her. im sick of this life, not just the drug life but all life in general. id rather live life high than depressed and f*cking shitty. ive got a month and 4 days clean. i doubt ill have a month and 5 days. im done with this shit, i can't do it anymore.



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Hey Liz, you've got to push through this. It's just a bad day or half a day. When I got clean I'll bet I didn't have more than 10 good days in my first 90 and certainly no good days in my first 30. Your in a fight for your life and your soul. You barely survived last time. You say that "you'd rather live high..." but if you die how is that living? Just go with the first three words that you wrote "I'd rather Live"! Hang in there, it takes time.

Dean

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Dear Liz.
Life is tough at times.
Im on medication for a tropical disese and this is hell to go through.
However Ive been trying to keep my mind on NA members, the NA Program and Steps and also the Serenity prayer to guide me through.
Living alone and having to do this in isolation is making the feelings more powerful and sometimes difficult to face, but all said and done I know I want to stay clean no matter what and that members are just a phone call or a meeting away to get help from,,,,

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Hey Liz! mikef here
hang in there,try and find a different environment with different people,shake things up!(keep your support group close)all this im sure you know,maybe tired of hearing it???.when i surrendered in 1984,it was almost 2 years before things starting getting better for me.i had to remove myself from everything i knew,friends,places i went,things i did. dealing with life when i wasnt twisted was a drag but i chose to live and knew i wanted to hang on.one of my worst scenarios was thinking ahead,projecting,like i cant party,cant go to clubs,play in a band and its all around me,what can i do now ,life is boring,,blah blah,,.etc..eventually i broke away and found that i really did want this life and i had to work for it..for me trying to bring the message of recovery to others first by what my life showed and next getting involved in service(volunteering,for stuff etc)was the turning point for me..days turned to weeks and months and years..you have to really want it and if you do you'll work it out.a day at a time...let us know how you are doin and get it out of yourself,sometimes that alone can move you forward..thanks for sharing honestly how you feel,believe me we have all probably spent many periods like you are going thru.peace mikef

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Thanks for sharing that Mike, awesome,,

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The ultimate weapon for recovery is the recovering addict. We concentrate on recovery and how we feel, not what we have done in the past. Old friends, places and ideas are often a threat to our recovery. We need to change our playmates, playgrounds and playthings.

When we realized we are not able to manage on our own, some of us immediately began experiencing depression, anxiety, hostility and resentment. Petty frustrations, minor setbacks and loneliness often made us feel that we were not getting any better. We found that we suffered from a disease, not a moral dilemma. We were critically ill, not hopelessly bad. Our disease can only be arrested through abstinence.

 

Taken from Chapter 3 in the NA book



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Liz...get a grip and cut the s***t. {{{hugs}}}

When we give in to the commands and seductions of that addict in our head, we are doomed no matter what we do as long as we keep listening. Our only defense against using is not will power, as we know, it is our Higher Power. Where is yours in all this?

I remember at one point being essesntially where you are at and barely having the strength to even say in my head "God give me willingness". I said that prayer over and over and over and didn't see any results (I thought). Except one day it dawned on me that I was still here, and "shouldn't" be, didn't wanna be, and yet, there I was.

That day I was finally able to get my butt to a meeting. This journey is not easy, but it is a blessing. I need to always say "Thank you for the blessing" , even when I feel like checking out or copping dope. And maybe try to do something for someone else...getting the focus off of self usually helps goose the brain chemistry (that is feeding the addiction/depression) into helping us feel better. Best wishes.

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AMEN LEE agree whole heartedly.

A few more paragraphs from chapter 3



We reached a point in our lives where we felt like a lost cause. Our worth to our jobs, families and friends was little or none. Many of us were unemployed and unemployable. Any form of success was frightening and unfamiliar. We didn't know what to do. As the self-loathing grew, we needed to use more and more to mask our feelings. We were sick and tired of pain and trouble. We were frightened and ran from the fear. No matter how far we ran, we always carried the fear with us. We were hopeless, useless and lost. Failure had become our way of life and self-esteem was nonexistent. Perhaps the most painful of all was the desperation of loneliness. Isolation and the denial of our addiction kept us moving along this downhill path. Any hope of getting better disappeared. Helplessness, emptiness and fear became our way of life. We were complete failures. Personality change was what we really needed. Change from self-destructive patterns of life became necessary. When we lied, cheated or stole, we degraded ourselves in our own eyes. We had had enough of self-destruction. We experienced how powerless we really are. When nothing relieved our paranoia and fear, we hit bottom and became ready to ask for help.

We were searching for an answer when we reached out and found Narcotics Anonymous. We came to our first N.A. meeting in defeat and didn't know what to expect. After sitting in a meeting, or several meetings, we began to feel that people cared and were willing to help. Although our minds told us we would never make it, the people in the Fellowship gave us hope by insisting we could recover. We found that no matter what our past thoughts or actions were, others had felt and done the same. Surrounded by fellow addicts, we realized that we were not alone. Recovery is what happens in our meetings; each of our lives is at stake. We found that by putting recovery first, the Program works.

We faced three disturbing realizations:

  1. We are powerless over addiction and our lives are unmanageable;
  2. Although we are not responsible for our disease, we are responsible for our recovery;
  3. We can no longer blame people, places and things for our addiction. We must face our problems and our feelings


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LeeU wrote:

Liz...get a grip and cut the s***t. {{{hugs}}}

When we give in to the commands and seductions of that addict in our head, we are doomed no matter what we do as long as we keep listening.




thanks for saying what I wanted to say.  Liz, a few weeks ago we were all praying, for several days, for you to pull out of your coma and live.  Now you're like "i don't wanna do this, and I can't do that...".   Over the past 6 months I've read your posts about getting in fights with people and now I'm thinking "if she sooo tough, then why can't she tough out 6-12 months of clean time?".

A large part of getting and staying clean is self dicipline to do the things that we need to do (meetings, sponsor, steps, praying, service, fellowship...) and saying no to impulses and our disease.  The more that we say No, and go and do the things we need to recover, the easier it gets and the quieter our disease gets.

You can do it but you've got to tell you head to stfu and stick with your program.  As practicing addicts, we are Insane and our own thinking is trying to kill us, so we can't listen to our own thoughts.  Your best thinking landed you in ICU last month.  As much as we have problems with authority figures and other people telling us what to do, you need to put that crap right out your head and become willing to take suggestion and do them daily.

 

Hang in there it gets easier.



-- Edited by DeanC on Thursday 9th of July 2009 02:55:26 PM

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Hey Liz.

I havent posted in awhile. This is a good one to get back into it on.

In the chapter on recovery and relapse in our basic text there is a line that has helped me through many moments of apathy.

" It is sometimes only with a grim and obstinate willfulness to remain abstinate through hell or high water until a crises passes."

What that says to me is that there will be times when it seems that prayer will not work. Meetings wont work. Calling other addicts wont work. Writing,reading and doing my best to live the program will not be enough.

I believe Im NEVER alone. I believe in a higher power . I have turned MY will and my Life over to the care of that same.

Yet there will be times of trouble. Its unavoidable . Its life . Its during those times that that quote helps me. And has helped me many times.

Today I choose not to use. My recovery is my responsibility . And if I feel the need to give up ? My HP will support me in my grim and obstinate desire not to use..

God Bless and best of life to you.

Anthony G.

-- Edited by AnthonyG on Friday 10th of July 2009 08:07:05 AM

-- Edited by AnthonyG on Friday 10th of July 2009 08:07:36 AM

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A new life


LizC wrote:

.... id rather live life high than depressed and f*cking shitty....


With everything that I have been thru since last getting clean, to today being on welfare, losing weight due to lack of food, health problems, etc etc etc... well...

I'd rather live life depressed and f*cking shitty than high

Because today life is real. Because today I know that it can and will get better. Because today I have a way to change. Because today I have people who actually care about me and not how much dope I can get them. Because today, I Am Clean!!

If I was high, I'd have none of that. I'd have less money than I do now. I'd be even skinnier than I am now. I'd have poorer health than I do now. I'd have no way to change because my life would be focused around my drug of the day. I'd have nothing. Because I'd be high.

And that ain't worth it. Not compared to that small, simple fact of being clean, Just For Today.


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RE: new life


(((MIKE)))
i totally relate...
i just threw myself into services, like
cleaning after the meeting, taking out the trash,
making coffee, getting meetings going, supporting
certain meetings...
because believe it or not, people start to look for you
people i didn't think liked me too much..
they would say, "where were you last week? I looked for you"

i mean, i'm cleaning after meetings, bitchin' under my breath
raahdah raahdah raahdah...
oh, i've got 20 years i can't clean a damn coffee cup and shit...

oh, well, i keep cleaning..
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I'm a young addict, Liz. We've lost the power of choice. We can surrender and tough out the depression with God's help. Did you make it to a month and five days?

Check this out: http://www.interventionctr.com/paws.htm

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This too shall pass Liz, know that we love as you and will love you till you learn to ,ove yourself and pass that love onto other addicts seeking recovery !

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im not sure what your entire situation is, however i was on norco for 10 years. the last year i was taking at least 30 a day....can anyone say liver failure! i knew i needed help so i went to a methadone clinic, well i know everyone is different but my body doesnt react well with it, or maybe its that i was on 150 mg a day! it got to the point that my legs and feet were swelled up i couldnt fit into my shoes, and i couldnt even feel my hands. plus i was sick of waking up at 4am and goin to to the city everyday. i quit that cold turkey like 4 times unsuccessfully. plus i broke up with my fiance, who also had a opioite addiction, and moved in with my parents to try a different environment. well when i got of methadone for the last time i was so deppressed and anxious everyday, from the moment i woke up to when i went to bed. my very understanding mama took me to the dr, explained my problem and they put me on paxil and taking about 8 norcos a day. after 2 weeks of being on paxil i started feeling less and less anxious. finally i went to the suboxone dr and was prescribed 3 8mg a day. well this was great at first, because all my pain and cravings and ofcourse wds went away. after a couple of weeks though, i started abusing thesuboxone, i know many drs say that you cant feel euphoria no matter how many you take but i did. then of course i was running out 2 weeks before my next visit. i tried to quit 3 times unsucccessfully- cold turky. i just cant seem to taper with opiotes, my mind always seems to want more. i was on the sub for about 8 months. well my last refill was may 25,09 and my last dosage was june 3, 2009. i quit cold turkey and it was hell. the anxiety is very hard to bare. so i got some xanax and take as perscribed and feel much better. for the pain i take soma, a muscle relaxant. today is july 18,09 and i am clean! the first month is rough. i didnt want to clean, cook go to interviews, NOTHING. i just wanted to die. today i feel ok. im not 100% but getting better everyday.

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