"If we do an honest examination of exactly what we are giving, we are better able to evaluate the results we are getting."Chapter 10 - Emotional Pain - NA Way of Life.
you, my friend, have been an instrumental part of this recovery team for me. I thankyou from the bottom, top and sides of heart, i pray for you peace in all your endeavors.
I am away from these boards most of the time, but I want you to know that I appreciate your posts and your honest shares. You made me feel very welcome when I first came to MIP and I look forward to reading you. I hope that things get better in your personal life. Sounds like you have a full plate. I send positive thoughts your way my friend.
Tahir, your posts have helped me more than you could know. You and the others here that gave me support when I first cleaned up truly made such a positive impact on my life. Yes, I messed up and relapsed but I'm back and tomorrow is my 30 days again, and I owe that to you guys. I shared here before I was brave enough to share in meetings. I just wanted you to know that you are so loved and appreciated and I'm sure you've touched many other lives besides mine. I don't know enough about the politics or traditions of NA but our main purpose is to carry the message, to help other addicts to stay clean for another day, and you have done that so many times for me.
I've been caught up in the drama of my own life that its hard for me to be unselfish and look outside my own little box in the world, but I had no idea you were going through so much. All my love and prayers I'm sending your way!
-- Edited by Keli at 20:47, 2007-11-25
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Hey Tahir whats a little more stress ? is it going to push you over the edge think your gonna break? I don't think so.
Higher power wants you in service here brother sorry you can not leave until a power greater then you removes you :O).....>
OK I said I would leave once also and today I'm glad I didn't , and got past that situation to be stronger and wiser now today you helped me in that growth period.
You have been a huge factor in my recovery Tahir you give me hope , clarity and understanding hell I even envy your ability to see deep within yourself and how you share that introspection so I hope before making a final decision you look to that place and the people here who need you , we look up on you for our health and well being that goes towards our/my recovery.
Of course I support whatever decision you decide , but I beg of you not to leave, you're an integral part of this family.
A big hug to you. I am another who has greatly appreciated your posts and consistency.
I am sorry that you have been experiencing negativity here. If I played a part in any way, I hope you will be kind enough to let me know.
As your friend, I will support your decision whether it is to stay or go. I would only suggest that before you decide anything, a good talk with your sponsor is in order, as well as some time for meditation and to obtain some objectivity.
At some point you may consider addressing the matter more directly with the person(s) involved. I will also leave this to you to decide with your sponsor since sometimes direct communication can be more harmful than helpful.
All the best to you, Tahir. With NA hugs and love from Blithe Spirit.
I love you so much; you were already here when I found online recovery and like all the rest who have replied, you affect so many people in a positive way. I mean, look at all the posts my brother!!
I know you have been going through so much in your personal life with your dad and I am so very sorry to hear about your sponsee ((((Tahir)))) You are always in my prayers my brother. Don't leave us behind; you need us and we need you :)
As far as this right and wrong thing, we are free to choose our own battles today and some just aren't worth being fought eh? I love a great, positive, recovery-oriented atmosphere here but sometimes there are things I just have to leave here and I do....they help me not in my own personal recovery. Today, it's not about right and wrong; it's about living the life our god wants us to live, the best life we can, by doing his will and not our will. Don't let anything chase you from what you need most and it sounds like you need us the most right now!!!
Hang in there my friend; even if you have to step down for awhile, that's ok....just don't leave us totally ((((Tahir))))
Love and NA Hugs, your sister in recovery and service, Glora W
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I am surprized. I thought you were the strongest of all. I hope that you don't give up on us because we get negative some times.
I have felt the same thing several times. I stopped posting for a while and eventually came back. There is a time when everyone will need to make a move. I hope it works out positive for you. I also look forward to seeing you back soon.
On another note, I have seen some very positive outcomes and that will continue. Love and strength to you and all that read this.
Recovering, kenh.
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Hi Tahir,,sorry u are leaving !! I respect your decision and whatever you choose to do !! However if I have hurt you in any by sharing about what Ive learnd the hard way about the "right way" to do things then theres two things I want you to know 1.on a personal level i dont want to be hurtful thats why i repeat a wonderful prayer that begins with the line= "God Bless all the addicts wherever they maybe" You are blessed and and so full of goodness !! 2.however no matter how popular an individual member may become,,I believe we need always operate well within guidelines,policies and the Traditions. No one member can actually become the voice of this Forum or take decisions that may be hurtful to the longevity of this wonderful sharing place !! Ive become a trouble shooter and im in no way a trouble maker !!
The hardest thing Ive learnt in recovery is that when im disturbed and want to run or hurt back ,,, thats when I need to admit to myself that ive been wrong and my ego is hurt !!
It is difficult but based on Spiritual Principles in the 12 Step Tradition Ive been sharing here for few years now and will never want to leave no matter what and as relations go,, there will be ups and downs and this is exactly what this days JFT talks about too !!! All my relationships,, (except with my new found lady love and two others)are long standing and are based on give and take !!! Just a few thoughts i wanted to share about where Im coming from !!! Hugs and love and all to you !!!
-- Edited by Raman at 05:59, 2007-11-26
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Hello Tahir, I know that I haven't been here often lately. I have been involved with another forum. I cannot forget, however, that MIP was the place which embraced me first, helped put me the right path. Together with F2F meetings, MIP has created a good foundation for my ongoing recovery. I thank you immensely for being there with your valuable advice and relentless support. There's this peace about you that i'm dying to have. You continue to inspire me. Good fortune to you brother..
"If we do an honest examination of exactly what we are giving, we are better able to evaluate the results we are getting."Chapter 10 - Emotional Pain - NA Way of Life.
Wow what a setting= show great praise for all others here and finger around with poor ol me !!! Only God knows what u are talking about Tahir,,, the onus is on you,, i dont owe you an apology !! Remember I was the one that introed you to this Forum in the first place,,that too on a day in a meeting when you had craftily manipulated me into a corner,, I choose to practice love and tolerance by naming this wonderful Forum to you !! Its your fault in the first place,,, you should have first of all credited the source of those posts ! One cannot post paras and pars adverbatim and then not credit the source,,its totally wrong !! Im not disappointed by anything,, if at all you must be so. Thank God im not sitting at home all day and trying to make a career of posting/moderating/sponseeing etc God has Blessed me with a legitamate career,family,friends and Fellowship and I dont take NA service so seriously,,, ive done my bit for growth of NA in Bangalore as well as in this and other Forums. What i found most inappropriate was your commenting on others sharings,,,as if you know it all. But what was downright offensive was having you comment on my sharings,,, I did not like that one bit !! I share a problem to find a solution by way of accessings others experiences of how they solved it,, you advice giving and lecturing was not what I wanted !! Most of all understand this that no matter what you or I think,, most folks in the Forum seem to prefer using their own literature to read as also to share their own experience,strength and hope !! If you want to be a cheerleader and advisor to others thats ok with me but stay off my space !! Im a tolerant,peace loving person and recovering addict ,,,,,,not anything else !!
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Wow what a setting=.....................Im a tolerant,peace loving person and recovering addict ,,,,,,not anything else !!
Great post Raman. Too many times we see in F2F meetings as well as here on line those that choose to make a carreer out of NA. They seem to come across as if NA is not only their program of recovery but NA also seems to serve as their religion and as so they preach it. I was full of piss and vineger when I joined NA and did the 90 in 90 and the whole nine yards. I bought the BT and the IWH&W, Just For Today, the SWG, collected all the IP's, did service then did more service, then later on in recovery I book marked all the NA web sites, read and re-read posts, read and re-read my own posts, sat up thinking and worrying about what I may have or didn't write, preached, lectured, had to be right all the time, and was very closed minded to others opinions and ideas.
Today a month shy of 10 years, I like yourself have mellowed out but I have not mellowed to the point where I let others who attempt to put me straight on the workings of NA get away with their rigorous critiques and criticizims of me because I do not meet their idiology of how or what the NA program is to be worked or consists of. My ES&H with what it was like being out there right through to what it's like for me today is probably alot longer than many of those who pick my program apart, have been on this earth.
The NA program does work but there comes a time when we no longer have to live it at least not 24/7. To me NA was created for the promised reason, 'that any addict can stop using and find freedom from active addiction'. Today NA and the NA WAY compliments my life and the way I live it.
Respect to you Raman for working and living the NA program, Your Way.
Blessings, Tahir, Raman and our dissentous cledus who's nothing more then a 10 year clean pot stirer LOL
Take your own inventorys fellers i'd HATE to see any regular here leave for silly reasons and personality quarrels but sometimes a break is necessary.
I suggest we get to the bottom of this literature thing since it's been brought up .
I'm greatful I can see right threw all your covers, my sanity is returned ( lol ) and I damn sure am not going to feed into this thread any longer, how we handle this stuff is something that we all better get right other wise we live miserable lives and NA doesn't teach misery it teaches how to be at peace and love ourselves and others and to BE at peace even in difficult situations with emotions and feeling and self will running riot.
Blessings, Tahir, Raman and our dissentous cledus who's nothing more then a 10 year clean pot stirer LOL
Take your own inventorys fellers i'd HATE to see any regular here leave for silly reasons and personality quarrels but sometimes a break is necessary.
I suggest we get to the bottom of this literature thing since it's been brought up .
I'm greatful I can see right threw all your covers, my sanity is returned ( lol ) and I damn sure am not going to feed into this thread any longer, how we handle this stuff is something that we all better get right other wise we live miserable lives and NA doesn't teach misery it teaches how to be at peace and love ourselves and others and to BE at peace even in difficult situations with emotions and feeling and self will running riot.
May the force be with you.................
How NA of you Big V to have refered to me as a "Dessentous 10 year clean Pot Stirrer". I don't know whether to be happy or sad for the label you give. I suppose I can take solace in the fact that I've been called alot worse by alot better LOL. (Does the LOL make it ok to say?) At any rate, I too can see whats going on here in this thread, and your right BIG V it probably is best just to let things slide. One thing though, I'm not so sure you weren't really trying to feed into and stir the pot yourself. I could be wrong though.
Much love and peace to you both, Tahir and Raman. Personality conflicts happen everywhere in life and can be extremely challenging.
I heard someone share once that "People don't do things to me. They do them for themselves." I find this to be quite helpful, especially when combined with humility and compassion.
You're so right Magellan, anger, resentment, ego, not a healthy sign at all... Someone rightly said "resentment is drinking poison and expecting the other to die"
Sorry that you and many others had to go through all this drama (I couldn't help bursting into laughter as I'm typing this now), surely, I wouldn't like to read such sick stuff myself. I have deleted all my posts that might have possibly contributed to this sickness...
And yes, today I learnt a very good lesson, and I'm glad that everything happened the way it happened. A loving lesson for me that my Higher Power gifted me... Grateful for that...
Magellan, just reading those few words that you posted made all the difference to me, thank you so much.
Blithe, thank you so much too for that beautiful gem of a saying, and yes, of course, humility and compassion is the way, the NA way
((((((((((MIP family)))))))))) love you ALL!!!
-- Edited by Tahir at 15:03, 2007-11-26
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"If we do an honest examination of exactly what we are giving, we are better able to evaluate the results we are getting."Chapter 10 - Emotional Pain - NA Way of Life.
And yes, I forgot to share something my dear family...
I'M HERE TO STAY!!!
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"If we do an honest examination of exactly what we are giving, we are better able to evaluate the results we are getting."Chapter 10 - Emotional Pain - NA Way of Life.
Blessings, Tahir, Raman and our dissentous cledus who's nothing more then a 10 year clean pot stirer LOL
Take your own inventorys fellers i'd HATE to see any regular here leave for silly reasons and personality quarrels but sometimes a break is necessary.
I suggest we get to the bottom of this literature thing since it's been brought up .
I'm greatful I can see right threw all your covers, my sanity is returned ( lol ) and I damn sure am not going to feed into this thread any longer, how we handle this stuff is something that we all better get right other wise we live miserable lives and NA doesn't teach misery it teaches how to be at peace and love ourselves and others and to BE at peace even in difficult situations with emotions and feeling and self will running riot.
May the force be with you.................
How NA of you Big V to have refered to me as a "Dessentous 10 year clean Pot Stirrer". I don't know whether to be happy or sad for the label you give. I suppose I can take solace in the fact that I've been called alot worse by alot better LOL. (Does the LOL make it ok to say?) At any rate, I too can see whats going on here in this thread, and your right BIG V it probably is best just to let things slide. One thing though, I'm not so sure you weren't really trying to feed into and stir the pot yourself. I could be wrong though.
'It Happened' and I didn't even use a crystal ball to predict it!
Thank you Cledus. Adversities always make me even more stronger especially when I reverse the process of blame through a quick fourth step inventory and let my Higher Power do the rest... I may be an addict, but with the help of the steps, I surrender to win
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"If we do an honest examination of exactly what we are giving, we are better able to evaluate the results we are getting."Chapter 10 - Emotional Pain - NA Way of Life.
Thanks Cledus,, u aint nothing but an angel to me this day !! u have encouraged me,,, im empowered and feel supported !!
yea sure Vini,, if i wanted to quit a group or Forum anothers behaviour will never be the reason,, Ill never be a victim of another addicts behaviour,, and if any of you are angry with me for saying what I wanted to say,, then i say be careful,, that anger will destroy you !! Im gald we are getting to a deeper level of understanding,,the worst thing i ever saw in recovery is to get into a "oh everythings so wonderful,, so ill scratch ur back u scratch mine"mode !! Me,,, i need to be challenged in my confort zone now and then,,so i do the same for you,,,, in the hope that you will grow as i do !! And if in the process ive hurt anyone then know that Im a bonafide for serenity and sanity,,, i will never play mischief conciously and hurt people !! so now lets take heed,,, alls well that ends well ,,, so just let it all be !!!!
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and yes cledus,, thanks man !! Hugs buddy !!(i type bold so i can read clearly what i type!!) yes,yes,yes,, The BT says= Gods will for us is our own true will for us !!! I want this to be a learning place for me,,to that end I am responsible !!
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Raman an addict clean and serene just for today in NA Worldwide ; live to love and love to live the NA Way !!!
"If we do an honest examination of exactly what we are giving, we are better able to evaluate the results we are getting."Chapter 10 - Emotional Pain - NA Way of Life.
Raman, you are welcome anytime. In fact, bring Tahir with you so I can do a little intervention on you both! Of course, I'm not sure you'd survive the plane ride together.....
Well, then I have to, to put it in Raman's own words, craftily manipulate him to lead me to your place, is it? lol...
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"If we do an honest examination of exactly what we are giving, we are better able to evaluate the results we are getting."Chapter 10 - Emotional Pain - NA Way of Life.
yes sure,,ha,ha,ha !! im sure me and dear friend Tahir will be a great hit together !!(of course we wont hit each other,,,eh buddy ????) anyone remember the "MUTT AND JEFF" routine,,,I loved that when I was young and reading comics !! but take a wild guess whos doing the Mutt part,,, ill giv u a hint,, Tahir will suit the Jeff part better en me !! heh,he,he,,,
-- Edited by Raman at 12:02, 2007-11-27
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