terror stalking at NA and AA?

jalanhara · Member

terror stalking at NA and AA?

rayne · Senior Member

I am not sure how to respond to any of you post but i can tell u that we as a whole will not tolerated the support of dangerous material

jalanhara · Member

rayne wrote:

I am not sure how to respond to any of you post but i can tell u that we as a whole will not tolerated the support of dangerous material
dangerous? as in .. what? who is IN DANGER here?

what is dangerous about this material? That it might make people THINK?

dan·ger·ous is defined in Merriam Webster as

1 : exposing to or involving danger <a dangerous job> 2 : able or likely to inflict injury or harm <a dangerous man>

— dan·ger·ous·ly adverb

— dan·ger·ous·ness noun

what is there about THINKING that is likely to cause injury? or harm?

"Restriction on free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us."
-- William O. Douglas

The test of courage comes when we are in the minority. The test of tolerance comes when we are in the majority. ~Ralph W. Sockman

"Fear of serious injury cannot alone justify suppression of free speech and assembly. Men feared witches and burned women. It is the function of speech to free men from the bondage of irrational fears."
-- U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis

Fear IS the correct word here isn't it? I am sure that the members of this forum are not so stupid that they need for the moderators to censor the material presented here, it would be like your saying you believe they are INCAPABLE of thinking for themselves.. and you would never say THAT ..now would you?

-- Edited by jalanhara at 16:06, 2007-03-15

plagam_extremam_infligere · Newbie

i am beginning to see a trend here. I for one do NOT appreciate censorship or even the threat of it. I think censorship is arrogant it makes me think that if you want to censor then you must have something to hide a little knowledge is NOT a dangerous thing and just because you do not understand someone or know what to make of something doesn't mean there is anything wrong with it. I see nothing dangerous in Mr Jalanhara's posts NOR HIS LINK I am CERTAINLY able and capable of making my OWN determiniations and processing information and I take umbrage with the editing of peopl's posts on this forum. OPEN MINDS are anintegral part of recovery. LESS fear of others opinions is far more an indication of recovery and a great spiritual growth indicator . Obviously his individuality and opinions are scaring certain people is what i think, but still that does not give anyone the right to censor. we are all adults here... let us make up our OWN MINDS

-- Edited by plagam_extremam_infligere at 16:31, 2007-03-15

BigV · Senior Member

I understand people having issues that last for years and years I did and some I still hold onto.
It does sometimes take a long long time to come to the point of having a solution, thats what this program offers to all of us.

Personally I wished i'd grabbed hold of the solution I wished I had let alot of things go before I allowed them to continue to have power over me, once I had power over them by mostly accepting certain things, I had a chance at peace and recovery over what i thought was a hopeless condition. This has to continue and we all need to be open about whats going on inside of us, I called it letting in the light in a dark place.

Many of us here are young in recovery I had to start over after relapsing after almost 6 years clean I was not in this program of NA, I have much to learn still, its difficult not being selfish i'm trying to survive, but I also know I want to be able to help others and one thing i'm sure of, i'm tired of fighting, people places things and situations, though I do have the temperment to put up a fight that temper needs to be quelled.

I have to admitt I see where you are coming from, we're just hanging on here to this thing and if its going to work we all need to work together other wise it will fail .

So I will look seriously at what all of you have to say from here on.

Thanks for sharing

micheleanonymous · Member

BigV wrote:

I understand people having issues that last for years and years I did and some I still hold onto.
It does sometimes take a long long time to come to the point of having a solution, thats what this program offers to all of us.

Personally I wished i'd grabbed hold of the solution I wished I had let alot of things go before I allowed them to continue to have power over me, once I had power over them by mostly accepting certain things, I had a chance at peace and recovery over what i thought was a hopeless condition. This has to continue and we all need to be open about whats going on inside of us, I called it letting in the light in a dark place.

Many of us here are young in recovery I had to start over after relapsing after almost 6 years clean I was not in this program of NA, I have much to learn still, its difficult not being selfish i'm trying to survive, but I also know I want to be able to help others and one thing i'm sure of, i'm tired of fighting, people places things and situations, though I do have the temperment to put up a fight that temper needs to be quelled.

I have to admitt I see where you are coming from, we're just hanging on here to this thing and if its going to work we all need to work together other wise it will fail .

So I will look seriously at what all of you have to say from here on.

Thanks for sharing

IMHO i think you are doing great, I have been around the rooms for a long time. There is a an old saying around them.. "don't should all over yourself" so when you say Personally I wished i'd grabbed hold of the solution I wished I had let alot of things go before I allowed them to continue to have power over me, thats when i would say to you: "don't should all over yourself "We are not aware of solutions until we get here.. and we didn't get here UNTIL WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE HERE. In HP's time NOT OURS remember? There may have been some pain that you had to experience in order for your recovery to have a more profound effect on you. The fact that you have been reading the posts and have "heard" them and have tried to put them in context with your own thinking is applaudable, we have to have tolerance for one another and support each one's right to recover EVEN IF it is not the way we are recovering .. we all have different experiences and God is bringing those people TO us so that we may better understand when our sister and brother is in pain we must never turn away but we must FEEL their pain and share that pain ,, pian shared is pain lessened. is true... I wonder if VilynBlackthorne needed to share pain I am sure that it was a horrible experience to lose someone that validated your very existence after years of feeling as if you were a mistake, and an aberration. Perhaps Vilyn had felt this was a safe place to finally start to try to return to NA. I believe VIlyn loves NA and was hurt by being cast away and blamed for not making the right "choice" by people in the PHYSICAL rooms but as someone else pointed out what is choice to a newcomer and how many GOOD choices have we junkies made (except for walking into the rooms and sometimes even THAT is NOT aleays OUR choice) So WTG for you BigV you are GROWING spiritually and so will we all by showing tolerance and support to the "addict who is still suffering" suffering is NOT always meant as using I think Blackthorne was "still suffering" but maybe making an attept to heal. Well I am putting that subject behind me too. At least some good came of Vilyn being here do you see that? This subject never would have began maybe Vilyn WAS in the right place....and was not ony here for himself but for us... to grow.. as well.
peace in recovery

-- Edited by micheleanonymous at 08:42, 2007-03-16

BigV · Senior Member

Thankyou Michelle.

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