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Addict mentality causage point


A main issue causing addiction; 

thinking about how something will be to live with for the rest of your life.

Imagine if the casual worker did that, they would be unable to withstand the horror of it...

its a neurodivergence.

 

A drug may be an activation factor for this growth, causing increased drain of surplus. 

Reason; massive microbiological stress streaming to the west especially.

 

stabilitypoint: Looking only at streaks,

realizing that layers, baselayers, can be added and removed by for example going to retreats, reprogramming aspects of life on auto mode. It becoming a not hard thing to do, like eating is hard to learn as baby but becomes beautiful.

 

I spotted an issue; inner baby - like a partial comatose while awake, causing it to be hard to introduce new layers causing transformable divergent point and possibly a main factor in the addict mentality although lacking sorely as a descriptor of the addict divergence; perceiving things normal to others as too hard to have to keep doing; due to blocked automation ability.

 

Acknowledging the ant-type work, however only when its one layer out of several, for human. 



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Did not try to comprehend. Much like not trying to see a tree as you walk past it.

I have begun looking at the ground every day.

Its much like a car expert sees what car engine is by the look of it, a programmer the programming language, a vet the gender etc.

 

Or like having an idea of what is beneath the clothes when looking at a person. Including knowing if the person excercises or not.

 

except its not my profession, even if I was forcibly educated. Freedom of education, whatever uses me doesnt get to.



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I found a major reason!

Biological stress and strain. Holy **** its a breakthrough.

The stress, the microbiology of the norm in the environment causes a need to alter bodily and brainwise chemistry; altering the conditions and thereby how microbiology is present.

This can be achieved in other ways also; like monks live - minimalism, veganism, not eating sugar etc. and generally changing environmental factors by improving health and participation in the World instead of worsening it by adding more of what is necessary to move away from in the first place.

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I had this idea; that some spirit tried a day of how I live and I a day of its life. That was quite a while back.

So I thought; my life is currently a sufferable hell although its begun getting better recently; however if I lived a year of its life (I did not live a year of its life and it was sufferable before already) Id be lucky - mine used to be scarier (the words that shaped was more that mine is scarier, however I did think of the past there); even if I felt good while active I knew every day that I was sinking deeper and deeper into like swamp and that the low, suffering and horror in the future was only growing.

In other words; if the day was one of comfort from how I lived while active that would be experienced then it may be comfortable or not that bad; however a nightmarish low would follow.

An addict suffers extensively; the perceptual pain of the low oncoming becomes so severe that you have a need to shut off and typically do so by what you know; the drugs - rather than for example minimalizing, improving veganism or similar in a way bringing you serenity. Its a self locking situation (and it does not end upon death... *spiritual part); the result is an increase of the low and even deeper suffering, causing the perceptual pain to grow and so forth.

Today Im getting cleaner. I have the past several years even with major points of relapse starting early April 2016 ending mid-2017. Even if life sufferable its less so, although a pain I am not as used to and that causes need for growth of this type of resilience. I must admit its going quite well.

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My grandmother on my fathers side, my father said drank alcohol to the point of alcoholism. I did not know this till recently. As a child when visiting her I was fed large quantities of fat on white bread; reminding strangely of alcohol.

I experience being commendable on certain points, we know that gut cultures interact through the nervous system with the brain.
I had horrible stomachaches as a child.

Transfer from my grandmother to me; using me as a host carrying on addiction. Then a transfer jumping from my fathers one sister to me in 2015 autumn.

 

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i have been suggested a clinic in CPH to get a gut/stomach cleansing. Some hydrocleansing.

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I have experienced my free will being commandable while smoking hash and while taking a drug causing highs of mindfulness. A friend simply pointed and i locked over and over again. Other worse commands have been placed; dragging me towards relapse to drugs. Gut culture connected.

 

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Also means this is a path of partial immortality; through interfacing with gutculture. Seems more to me like this is getting your being connected to life in a horrible and sufferable way for a long time. Causage for overpopulation and harming veganism.

 

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Its recycleable; the method, the situation, the stomachculture and applicable in different ways. Can become something good.

 

5th EDIT:

Aint gonna remain living like this. I despise being at home or in one environment; what is accustomed to, all the time.

 


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Nobody 'gave' us addiction we chose it. Addiction is obsessive compulsive total self centeredness. The sooner we stop pointing fingers at others and the sooner we can start working on our program of recovery.

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Can we all agree that each individuals inner child is not a stomachculture? Nor a mental formation generated from a stomachculture - for example through nervous system interfacing?

The inner child is something fundamentally different.

Inspiration for working with addiction though.
Can we be addicted to misusing gutcultures in our stomach?

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We can only infect others passively through our living, our interaction and the damage we cause; the surplus we drain.

Look at my post about the fellowship sacrificing anonymous. Everyone can identify as an addict although some are in a lot deeper than others...



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In Danish NA at least we say rebuild our trustability.

The thing is; though i have said i need to live in tropics for years (seems this follows wherever i went to holiday with family; parents presence); there was not that trustability in my words. However i was not old enough for the trustability to have worth on that point to begin with (me saying what i need), as I began marijuana addiction at age fifteen - draining the trustability that was quite low to begin with due to the lifestyle i was born into.

I never had the chance to experience having trustability in a way I would see the point in.

Another causage for addiction although this is more unique to me.

 

 

notice the seems? To this; 

The collective system that evaluates my inability to sense what I need does not have the trustworthiness on that point. Im enslaved by it, hindered in what i know I need. I even get convinced of otherwise and my thinking shaped to fit its evaluation. Since pre adulthood.

This does not follow wherever I have been on holiday with my family (as a child I only said Denmark was boring and without mountains; I was not seeking to live in mountaneous areas). I have sought the tropics for several years. Even if it is connected with a month in Venezuela, why would this disprove living in the tropics as a bad idea? I dont even know if i wanted to before. Whateger it is cannot distinguish between information, knowledge, wanting, desiring, seeking etc. and I think its something severely racist. I know it is not me, I am not racist. A collective mental formation possibly, needing to be recycled.



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The collective enslavement system causing workaholism;

How collectivity works; see mental formations and how we constantly interact (pheromones, words, movement, gestures - music, ...)


i think till give quite a lot of XP to take out. Like a mob in WoW

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I'm totally and completely confused by your entire stream of consciousness.

You keep talking about the 'cause' not the cure.

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You seem to be looking for a cure? These are simply points of causage enabling us to work with and overcome hindrances of sobriety/cleanness; a relapse would eventually result. We are in healing; not cured. Besides cures are illusion; however you can go deeper even though eventually you will encounter something new (and will want to take the risk of doing so).

Its hard to formulate.
The point mainly is that these points simply enable us to progress in our healing - we cannot produce a cure, however we can cure points. Notice the we. To me, with my higher power and God; I gotta do my part, its just a decision and dedication of mine (as is earning money).

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Davethewave wrote:

I'm totally and completely confused by your entire stream of consciousness.

You keep talking about the 'cause' not the cure.


 That should have said 

 

You keep talking about the 'cause' not recovery.



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Its steps to find what can be worked on to improve/strengthen recovery and make new methods etc.

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I excuse taking drugs with reading/taking in highly refined waves of light that I have receptors able to read and thus generate change within.

One adds, another causes a different baseenvironment and the mentioned alters what is there. Something like that.
Language and chemical substance is not the same - although there is a fundamental oneness in that both affect.

Hard drugs was added after I began reading angel numbers.
Its like im possessed by a hatred of symbolics - being taught a lesson.
Being forced to not want symbolic input, to return to the state of an animal.

 

Would be nice if it was stuff like this:

the illusion of you keeping providing when your sorroundings do not acknowledge your positive impact on them; keeping you hungry and going. Enslavement. 

 

If you dont have money you will keep working harder to have enough? A social production chamber essentially.

 

 

#recycleTheSystem - like biohacking using gene alteration; it can take on an addictive form (something desired by certain enslavement-of-consumers companies)  at some point yet it is like text 



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Much like drugs create a unique brain chemical environment causing thoughts to function in a different manner.

Can generate a production environment for certain thinking, design etc. to be developed.
Its one of the reasons for the lows and split minds we sometimes end up with.

Luckily I had begun my work before entering into hard drugs, although this created an unsustainable ability to live in a manner impossible without so (isolated and writing day in and day out, listening to music). Almost as if there was a wish that i wish he would keep writing.

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It seems I am used to simply give service in some illusion that I do not belong and that I would leave NA eventually. Like computer with internet where connections take over computers functions to differing extents at differing times. I have not blackhatted a pc in my life; probably caused it indirectly though. Opinions generated through the popularization of blackhatting misusing Californias movie and series production...

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What part of NA did you miss? We concentrate on recovery here, not casting blame. If you put as much effort into applying the steps to these situations as you are creating them in your head you'd be able to help many people. It's obvious you have are really trying.

And addict alone is in bad company.

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An addict alone indeed is, especially at certain times. I was more describing collective affect on me, issues I dealt with from background and opinion - thereby describing a manner to work with this to ensure my continued recovery and that I do not relapse.

There is a worse situation than an addict in own company; an addict in company of those that would drag him into addiction or are active themselves.
Addiction to anothers addiction is scary. Strength: Seeking out those that are active in a manner decreasing their addiction at least decreases the active addiction and is not worse than being active yourself.

Had a friend, just told him goodbye - its only one layer to it though.



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Entertainment addiction is dangerous.... Anime: The endings are made in a way that gets you to keep watching; emotionally. Like a need.

Collective formations can experience the effects of your sensoric input (experience the effects of your experience) i.e. can watch through you (for example the output you generate as a result of watching something, watching that output and thereby indirectly "reading" the anime).

Now consider gaming addiction from this standpoint and remember that it is only one extra layer.
Drug addiction the same.
Also what you produce while your brain is in an altered state (a reason for always new drugs) - this can be overcome by always getting cleaner (also a different brainchemical environment just in a healthier way). Now consider joining Sacrificing Anonymous, especially for those of you whom this makes extra much sense for.

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Some addiction may stem from pre-life, not talking about while in mothers stomach or ancestrally.

Like an addiction to get reborn; gaining something wanted during a life. Something I thought about when I found vegan Zen Buddhism.
Addiction to fate - to things being calculable and predictable. As I like to say; if things are too predictable its a sign of disease; increase the entropy!

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Our systems of seeking security along with damage to our beings hinders us in seeing beyond the immediate border of suffering. Much like being unable to see the land on the other side of an ocean; thereby not daring going across the ocean, despite the non-existence of security where we currently are; something we are hindered in seeing in the perceptual pain and resulting desperation caused by looking at this.

Something like that.

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Why am I an addict? Doesn't matter I am an addict.
How did I become an addict? Doesn't matter I am an addict.
Is addiction hereditary? Doesn't matter I am an addict.
Is addiction a product of environment? Doesn't matter I am an addict.
etc etc etc

I am not responsible for having the disease of addiction, I am responsible for my recovery. The rest is mental masturbation.

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I agree that it doesnt matter, I am still an addict. However its quite good to know causages to be able to work with these from a point of recovery, decreasing chances of relapse.

Another causage, metaphoric in description:


A tweet I wrote:

"A perception can be real, because of its presence. A prediction can "seem" real, because of the prediction. Illusion generating reality. A greencard, perceiving getting back to the US as impossible generating a choice, undescribeable as voluntarity."

From another post in this forum (minimalism on datastorage is necessary, where it that torrented textual system. Oh thats right, I need to build it first):

"Notice how my writing became harder to comprehend, more confusing over the last days?

Let me explain:
I wrote an email to some people. One of these people responded demotivatingly amongst other things indicating insanity (i.e. take drugs - al-anon style). This perception affects collectively, manifesting as an evaluation (also draining the trustability in said individuals evaluations), resulting in my sociographic (much like geographic position (which city you live in, where you are "physically") position/location to be affected and change; resulting in being around energies/individuals of "similar type"; grouped and something akin to quarantined.

This in turn affects my writing, my communication, generating the perception and enforcing the perception and bad situation.
Its a sad truth, however due to the way things are, it matters how you are perceived. "Vanity" is a lie in that sense.
Strange thing is, as we addicts know, you only cheat yourself in the end: The trust in the individual does not increase due to the illusion coming to be more real.

No. 1 cause for relapses: Relations. "


What I try to say here is that once perceived as an active addict, bagged and tagged; labelled - this can be a factor (only a factor) in being locked into a state of addiction - even hinder getting to meetings.
Its important with anonymity as it is important with acknowledging being an inactive addict (its a truth and its important).

Damaged by psychiatry:
I could also refer to myself as an inactive skizophrenic, most of us could, this from the way I live. However if filled with drugs, bad food and hindered in getting into nature that can become an active state of being. I'd rather die. The only time I have been actively schizophrenic in my life was when I was in a psychiatric facility and while leaving this; the food, the isolation, the resentment, the fustration, the stress, the horrible company of people screaming day during sleeptimes, the emotional states and empathic affect (shuts down emotions), the drugs, the perception, the mistreatment, the punishment. I remember simply waiting for the next meal - it was so sufferable; a constant state of hunger in needing nourishment to transform the microbiology I was exposed to every day. I have various parts in that though, but not overall.
Trusting psychiatry does not work.

Still gotta do the steps, even if I was forced those drugs on. The truth is, none of us really chose those drugs in the first place. Its just hard to look at ones part and think about an 8th step when having been forced drugs upon.
Aint easy though, feels wrong. I guess I can look at my part in what led to that. And my part in what led to that. The thing is, where does karma start, even if before this lifetime? To me 9th step is giving service in a way others are not able to; 9th step is not so much like enslavement as it is a way to get clean. There is no guilting though, no right for someone to have to do 9th step and anyone whom tries to manipulate you into feeling that you are at fault... Suffer a need for something akin to a 9th step. Working the steps works!

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I agree that it doesnt matter, I am still an addict. However its quite good to know causages to be able to work with these from a point of recovery, decreasing chances of relapse.





Still gotta do the steps,....... Working the steps works!


 I completely disagree. If you think you can identify the 'causes' AND that you have control over not repeating them, then you are asking for trouble. We are POWERLESS over addiction.



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Even after all the work we've done in the Fourth and Fifth Steps, we're still not entirely clear at this point about the nature of our defects of character. We're probably wondering where, precisely, our character defects end and our character begins within the complex structure of our personality. Why do we do the things we do? Is it someone's fault? When did we first feel this way? Why? How? Where? If we're not careful, we can become so self-obsessed that we lose sight of why we're working a Sixth Step. We need to focus our efforts. Our goal is to raise our awareness of our character defects so that we can become entirely ready to have them removed, not to analyze their origin or indulge in a bout of self-absorption. Our character defects are indicators of our basic nature. We are likely to find that we have the same basic nature as anyone else. We have needs, and we try to get them met. For instance, we need love. How we go about getting love is where our defects come into play If we lie, cheat, or harm others and degrade ourselves to get love, we are acting on defects. As defined in It Works: How and Why, our defects are basic human traits that have been distorted by our self-centeredness. With our sponsor's help, we need to list each defect we have, describe the ways in which we act on it, look at how it affects our lives, and, very importantly, find out what we're feeling when we practice it. Imagining what our life would be like without each defect will help us see that we can live without them. Some of us take practical action by finding out what the opposite spiritual principle would be for each character defect.

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If we're not careful, we can become so self-obsessed that we lose sight of why we're working a Sixth Step. We need to focus our efforts. Our goal is to raise our awareness of our character defects so that we can become entirely ready to have them removed, not to analyze their origin or indulge in a bout of self-absorption.



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I tried to highlight that a make it 5 X size. You are going off the deep end of self absorption.

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Image describing active addiction

Pre-emptive addiction work: Biohacking w/ gene alteration; like with any healing/etc can manifest addictively (desired by some enslavement-of-consumers companies). Expansion without resolving core issue means civilization fall (civologics and ecologics necessary)/exponentially increasing need for surface-maintenance.

"Our goal is to raise our awareness of our character defects so that we can become entirely ready to have them removed, not to analyze their origin or indulge in a bout of self-absorption."
I thank you. I observe a hindrance of communication: Not to try and figure it out, resolving and analyzing it - useful for other groups etc. - rather be aware and have something higher remove these. Much like not operating your own arm; a doctor with the expertise to do so instead.

However we also need to do our part; sometimes people are labelled as doctors that are actually legal drug pushers dragging people into deep drug abuse causing them a need for NA....
DYI biohacking. No group can take ownership of doctoring - sometimes its also better to go to another source for certain operations, getting acupuncture etc. - the world is not as simple as being able to trust doctors, parents or similar to know the best although typically having points of superiority.

"Some of us take practical action by finding out what the opposite spiritual principle would be for each character defect." dualism/polarity thinking - I like going "deeper" than the character defect, unlocking its beauty.
For example dualism/polarity thinking is not really wrong; just gotta remember "dualism of duality, polarity of polarity, opposite of opposites" - many more like it; applying the thinking on itself (much like 12 stepping on 12 step participation - meetings for going to too many meetings; much like overeating - still needing food).

That is one of my character defects; trusting certified/acknowledged-by-a-validifying-norm authorities to perform the role these perform well enough/fitting my needs since imposing authority on me or at the very least listening when being given obvious input on what is necessary. (((((A strength growing during this interaction: Sometimes I find it important to remember than when a person is forced into a role/tempted into it; the result is a denial of responsibility of the role/not performing the work as well. Does not matter how subliminal the disrespect of the individual is)))))

I shall go deeper than self-absorption then, in case what you say is true at the end.



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That self-centeredness seems a major topic.

I would describe that as being a major lack of resources and surplus; constantly in a survival mode and in the need of fulfilling requirements for continuation.

This prioritization of resources results in isolation, being rejected, resulting in even less resources and surplus.

Thus a self-reinforcing cycle of resources-loss.

Rewireable by going deeper than our instincts; unlocking these. I know because I already have gone deeper than some instincts. Like each of the steps are part of a rewiring process; working with existing and building new thoughts (part of it being new neural pathways).

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Heart-wise constipation is nice to do something about...

Being leaned on; fear of you dying because you carry a lot for others - being hindered in stopping carrying stuff for others. Drugs used to pacify your perceptual ability - the ability to see that you are being used; thereby you keeping lifting stuff for others.

The desire for your stomach to transform a specific microbiological element before "letting it out":
The bacteria/vira and matter we ingest needs to be transformed much like a person going to fitness and meetings to stay healthy.

The method is essentially blocking you from stopping processing something specific; keeping processing something particular. Stomach wise this could be achieved by hindering particular movements by triggering the stomach through only particular/select intake for a while.
Mind wise/intellectually similarly..

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Want to know how drugs can harm the mind?

A drug generates a unique chemical environment, laying the grounds for a different thinking. For extensive period of time, differing from pre-drugging, this means a unique neural structure growing. This needs to be "adapted"/"recycled"/"grown out of" to fit a non-drugged state of being.

This process can be rather painful to say the least. Sometimes necessary to go deeper in lifestyle to be able to thrive/carry the unique structure.

Psychiatry is not a good place for mental issues when these drug people, especially for that long...
Now consider the collective affect - much like the US bipolar political situation.

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Escaping reality through alteration of energetical structures; using the material, physical world, to do so.

Altering through healing the material reality makes more sense.
We have learned that the world can be hacked to be a worse place. Then we can hack it to be a better place. If it can be worse than a "healthy unfolding" it can be better than a "healthy unfolding".

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Upon relapsing in 2016 I had this idea that I needed to "get something".

May have referred to some items stored.

However my thought at the time was that I needed to get something accessible by altering my mood using Marijuana - creating the unique brainchemical environment causing neural patterns to take a different shape (think encryption) and thereby causing a thought/personality-aspect/mental formation/similar to be accessible and possibly transformable.

I only thought it at the time, it was not planned. I guess also rationalization in a way.

I have since learnt that such things can be accessed by going deeper as well, becoming healthier (eco, fair trade, vegan, minimalism etc.) rather than corrupting the mind and body.

Also a causage for both relapses (we know intuitively - its nice when its workable with by being described for example lingually) and addiction (accessing collective formations through drugs).

This also means that being high is a security hole for a culture; deep enough individuals can similarly interface (think other planets/external factors for the sake of it) and access cultural etc. aspects through that "security hole".

-- Do remember that sacrificing is an addiction; non-fair trade etc. to sustain an environment upholding specific functionality collectively (the internet is different, its like you cannot put a person in coma - sorry for the loss of control something experiences hindering online 12 step programme). Humans perform jobs; collectively we in the west perform functions not possible other places; Something misusing us severely - plunging us into addiction not only individually. 



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The addict "disease" within us; as much outside us. Collective formations.

At times; shutting us down, suppressing us - when its inconvenient that we exist.

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Everything is relative; within a certain frame something is the case.

Without the navigational system that we have, addiction is not necessarily existing (we would not be able to sense the need (addiction as in doing something that upon fulfillment deepens the need rather than decreasing it -- here I find it important to note that "healthy addiction" can exist; where the need is decreased long-term even if temporarily increased)).

This is convenient in the psychiatric way of thinking - however it is still a truth.

Getting addicted to getting off of enough drugs; in the sense that you have to get clean from 3 points where 1 is not enough; thus when getting clean from 1 drug the need to get cleaner increases.

The need increasing;
Getting clean means greater freedom - this means moving about in more cultures including microbiological, knowledge-wise, financially and culturally which involves coming into contact with vira and bacteria (while also healing what was unhealable within the limited range with a sustainable effect).

This results in like getting a larger body - you cannot climb back into the womb or the clothes you had as a child; if you end up relapsing your body would grow sick from having come into contact with other biological elements and thoughts; unable to be sustainable with the "upgrades" and accompanying strain/how these would manifest in the restricted environment drugs cause - thereby needing to ensure not relapsing and remaining clean, getting cleaner on more points.

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Consider how a network is connected to a company. This company is wanted taken out. Then by draining the networks supporting the company you drain the company.

Its a military tactic, we exist in a constant war-like state.
We have a massive loss of resources, drain of microbiological health going on.

Not so smart to drain the overall surplus further.

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There is this book at the library I am sitting at across the PC screen.

"So highly were you loved" or "You were loved so highly".

I'd add; "And it did not help"/"Yet no difference did it make"/"then love is not enough"/etc.

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Recycled, clarified, objectivified, minimalized a little at least:
Now is clear what their eyes were blinded to before; however sending them back would cause a reversal - they carry the core manifesting as lying in certain conditions.


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Rather, now has become evident to them what they used to hide before. But were they to be sent back they would arevert to what they were forbidden, and they are indeed liars.

Like talking about my family.

We can be honest about being lying/deceptive; no matter what you say there will always be a core of untruth to it, a lacking perspective or a disrespect of perception. At least indicating where is more honest.... Without taking from the elegance!

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Addiction is unvegan - its as simple as addiction causing a craving for more of the same; the need fulfilled without thought for sustainability, a "survival instinct" kicking in to gain the necessary not seeing beyond the horizon (blocked by non-fair trade, non-veganism etc. - i.e. suppression of seeing the indirect in not looking at the damages).

The desire to access the necessary within ability to gain, desiring cheaper production - unable to see that this increases the need further. The cycle of addiction; the wheel rolling down the hill.

Its nice to be a clean addict, remaining clean, is it not? Indirect veganism and so far fewer animal bodies.

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In lack of having been able to earn own money; kept unable to have financial availability, I have been unable to write a simple program that would enable less text to be copied and pasted, stored over and over again, using serverspace (both energy and draining hardware durability, causing more non-fair trade, more animal bodies to be consumed and similar) -- also an indirect causage for addiction (hindrance of minimalism online such as me being able to program).

... I shall re-paste this; stored twice likely on the same hardware.

"used as a "transport" of not only microbiology between Denmark and Massachussetts - breaking friendships and more.

-- -- Gotta add: Having been drugged heavily for years, like similar to kidnapped, forced on a drug causing me to be "sustainable" in circumstances of extreme isolation and only seeing very particular, controllable and predictable individuals with circtumstances present while I designed, thought, calculated, designed rationale - bonded between two universities some of the time "CBS and Roskilde University (Highly socialist and highly "liberal")."

-- Also as I wrote on an MA forum; again, this could have been written more than a year ago had it not been for hindering me being financially self-sustainable as well as programming blocking me from being able to learn this:

"I began while living at a place my family had moved into, bought from a guy whom had been freedomfighter in WW2. This house was close to forest.

Now add microbiological understanding and health aspects of this.

The place I went to get weed, the only right place, is a massive ecovillage situated in the center of the capitol away from forest called "Christiania" that has this like passive rebellion going on against the national authoritative structure of Denmark (no taxes etc...).

So view it like this;
Enabling a carrying of microbiology - forest etc.

The "making it happen"/"enslavement"/"activation" factor was "attach marijuana addiction" - causing a predictable and controllable moving between these two points very often; like a human body used as a carrier."

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While its an excuse and manipulation of me:

The minimum age in Denmark to get sterilized without parents consent is 25 years of age, this means that to not be forced into have children; manipulated - much like I was into writing this in a manner causing "you wont get away with it and forcing me to have children" - you have to seem or be despicable enough to reject any individual whom would have sex with you, where an "accident" would result in children.

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"I do not belong in NA" is my guess of above comment. My question is; its not my thought on the matter, quite far from it.

What I awarely/intentionally describe:
"there is a desire to take drugs, unconsciously or not, due to the hindrance of denying getting children".

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The serial killer high; Energetic output affects killer (and proximity causing collective addiction).

These likely sense a lot less than of what comes along a kill. Inefficient.

nThx2 indirect addiction like that. I have killed many nettle during my life. Harmful fun as child

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Gul cultures interfacing with brain. Alcoholism; stomach environment only certain cultures can survive in, killing of others, laying grounds for taking over.

Compassion reflects more than one way... Eating beef, whether born into it or not.

 

Since through our beings we interface with our souls..
What do you think we can do to such cultures, when these are in our stomachs? Even if these are likely a connection point to a different soul/similar (possibly other realm/like physical layer of universe (how we exist with the five senses and navigate energy structures)). 

I can tell, yet it'll be ignored. Every single one of us. Suffering... 

This may also be an example of fear-control -> something that would result in us being locked down by this culture out of its fear. 

Honesty is important though. We can be very patient beings. 
A gut culture having harmed so many, harmed me to this extent, I have been desensitized in my interaction with it. 

Heard of stockholms syndrome? I would be so very kind and smooth, taking control right from within even if the power was in the hands of this. Much like how females often controlled males in old societies, even old fat nobles having found young interesting females. 

Which way does the hunt go? 
Awakening point nearing...

What I try to say; I can tell yet you wouldnt listen. I could tell you I was going to harm you, yet you would keep going - unable to sense the truth in it; escapism from reality - feeling safe, the drug-like unimmersement from the universe/life. 



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Causage of self-destructive behavior; corrupting an individual to prove to them something such as free will being an illusion.

Slowly, every day, over a long period of time damaging and corrupting an individual...

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Resentments of today, often stemming from self-destructive desire, are a product of resentments of the past unresolved.

At least let the world have a chance to make it up to you, or learn why not to continue the same damage/suffering for others that caused you a desire to.

Old desires for revenge, desire to destroy the world to set a limit - corrupting or damaging not only civilization, the world, reality, existence, creation etc.: A dysfunctional manifestation of a fantastic idea to "affirm boundaries" when things have gone too far.

Biostress/strain is a way we can relate to and a major factor of the causage of harmful manifestations of what is meant to be systems enabling co-existence.

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An attempt at decreasing consumption through harmful production lines by lowering intake:

A drug applied.

Isolation, less intake, less money etc.

Now I know why I just overate and did not care while being drugged; not that bad an idea actually.

The blablabla hindering readers from reading above:
Strangely I do not much have issues with overeating anymore; I did have an idea of wanting to get the same from my awarely selected Drug of Choice and really wanting the social form etc. that came along with this. I understand why now; its the whole thing about choosing sides/limiting your social circle and prioritizing that weed caused - as well as fighting together (greenpeace may be fun). This of course has involved trying all the harmful things my DOC brought along with it with exceptions. I have concluded its simply better without.

 

Another part that would have hindered

While a person is in a altered state of mind; a different brainchemical environment, "building" something in them that is not possible to edit without taking the drug or "going deeper" as in the reverse direction (only the latter means becoming healthier, recovering etc.). 
Like encrypting a structure. 

Such a very very smart trick....

 

A core issue:

The world "unfolds" despite the damage as though was there no damage. Methods that would work were things better,
yet cause a need for more of the same while unable to keeping accessing the necessary; addiction.

Currently having wishes of "shrinking". Something I pondered in 2011 before I ended up in psychiatry on some unconscious level where I was plunged into a severe and deep addiction unlike any I had formerly. becoming smaller. harvested this and thought "dwarves are actually awesome, using far fewer resources - their growth being healthier. 



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