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I'm new on this forum, more of an old-timer AA person, whose drug of choice was alcohol, and secondarily marijuana. Been sober and straight 29 years. So I don't know so much about the NA world and its various addictions and recovery methods.I have a high school friend whose son went through some sort of rehab and is now on suboxone. I was asking how he's doing [they don't live nearby, and I've never met him], and if he's been continuously sober/clean. That's when she told me about the suboxone. I just did a little bit of reading on the 'net. It sounds like, technically, I wouldn't consider him to be sober, though I can appreciate that his life is dramatically better. He apparently goes to some meetings, though I don't know if he has a home group or a sponsor, or if he's doing anything with the steps. Sounds like he could use a sponser who's been down a similar road and has since gotten off suboxone.My first question is, would the general wisdom in NA be that he is not, in fact, technically sober/clean?
Our purpose is to remain clean,just for today,and to carry the message of recovery.
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metermaid wrote:Hi,I know several people who are addicts holding service positions, and they do quite well. Do you think you could pick an addict out of a crowd of service workers, or any crowd for that matter? Addicts are everyday people like you and I, who have jobs, (sounds like you would be really surprised at the positions addicts hold, and can maintain really well)By saying that addicts should not hold service positions, how have you come to that opinion? Everyday people are addicts! Police officers, lawyers, nurses, doctors, teachers, housewives, barbers, husbands, fathers, grandmothers, grandfathers, ministers, and that's only a minut example.
Being clean I would define as freedom from active addiction. Or so thats what NA literature states. Suboxone gets you high. People on suboxone don't have any idea what being clean even feels like. They have been high for so long that narcotics only make them feel normal. They have no idea what it takes to stay clean because they are not clean.
I know this thread is a couple years old, however, it was the first site that popped up when I searched "suboxone and sobriety" and I wanted to post in case anyone else reads an old thread. While I realize I am about to be somewhat hypocritical in taking an issue with people being judgemental, while also being judgement, I need to say something. The people who say suboxone isn't recovery have no idea what they are talking about. These people are pointing fingers and they have no right to do so. Furthermore, none of these people have any idea what they are talking about, at least that is my impression. Basically, it sounds like a bunch of ignorant people making judgement calls for something they know nothing about. This includes that bulletin #29 that some people, or the same person, keeps mentioning. I am sick of this superior attitude that people who aren't on replacement therapy have "real suboriety" which translates into "better sobierty" because they aren't taking a perscribed medication. Granted some people who are on suboxone aren't free from active addiction because they aren't taking the medicine as perscribed or are getting it on the street instead of from a doctor. Unless you have actually taken suboxone you cannot say, with any credibility, that subxone is just subsituting one drug for another, blocks feelings, people are still trying to fill a hole with a drug, and whatever other nonsense people have been spewing. Suboxone doesn't get a person high, there is no euphoria, it doesn't block emotions and feelings and it isn't substitution in traditional sense where a person simply changes their drug a choice and still have the same behaviors. When used correctly, suboxone allows a person to stop using, stop withdrawals, change addictive behavior, learn how to have fun and make friends while not under the influence of drugs, and a variety of other positive changes. Suboxone also isn't an easy way out because it is not nearly enough. If people want to stay sober while taking suboxone they need to work hard at changing themselves. There is a HUGE difference between physical dependence and addiction. Diabetics are physically dependent on insulin, people are physically dependent on blood pressure medicine, on heart medicine, and on mental health medicine, most of which has mood altering chemicals. Furthermore, just because something is an opiate doesn't automatically make a person using. It really is no different than any of the other medications and conditions I listed. Is a diabetic not sober because they are physically dependent on insulin? I highly doubt anyone would make such an outragous claim. How about people who are on Benzos, pain killers, and ADHD medicine, never abuse those addicting drugs, take them exactly as perscribed, and have changed their addictice behaviors still using? How is Naltrexone any different than suboxone. Even though Naltrexone doesn't contain any opiate combonent it helps with cravings and it blocks opiates, just like suboxone. Despite what some people in 12 step programs want to think, there is no better way to stay sober and people need to stop being so superior by looking down on others who choose different tools to stay sober.
If you don't agree with 12 step programs approach like NA which is complete abstinence then don't go to the meetings. Its a choice. Duh...