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Day 3 of no opiates detoxing cold turkey


Please help. I am on 3 days of having no percocet 30s. I am hurting so bad, I have no energy, I have a 2 1/2 year old son at home and I CANNOT get off my butt!!! Any suggestions would be very helpfull on how I CAN GET SOME ENERGY, and stop feeling as miserable as I do. I am trying so hard.

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Hello AND WELCOME TO MIP! I am sorry for your pain, have you spoken with medical people,preferably versed in addiction based treatments for detox../Also I know at this point its the last thing you want to hear ,but you "only have to do this once!!!Check with clinics see if there is any help with you child while you take some more days purging your system.I am not a medical person and would not suggest anything not approved by medical people but I can tell you it will get better..There are alternate things you can take but to me that is subbing "one for another"(suboxone,methadone,etc...)Hang in there and once cleaned out find a meeting place in your area,get with others just like you ,who have found a new way to live through 'living" in the solution of our program Narcotics Anonymous.I'll keep you in prayer and hope to hear back from you. May Not be much help but definitely in support!!!smile

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Welcome, Hang in there! It's been a long time since I cold turkeyed heroin but I feel your pain, it does get better!

Your profile says you're in Florida, here's the link to the Florida NA Region helplines, websites and meetings.
http://naflorida.org/helpline/

Pick up the phone, call until you find someone to come over to help you get through the kick and GET TO AN NA Meeting. Go to 90 meetings in 90 days. You are not alone.


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Congrats for making the choice to get yourself clean. Years ago I detoxed myself from opiates. I was too ashamed to call my doctor and I did it alone so I know the hell you are going through. What got me through was lots and lots of water, ibuprofen for the muscle aches and pains and benadryl to help me "sleep" it off.

FIRST, find the local NA chapter in your area and pick up the phone no matter how crappy you feel. Just reaching out is hard, I know but DO IT. Don't cave in to the cravings. Please, be strong. Just keep thinking about how much your life will change in a positive way without those opiates. Your 2 year old needs you. Is there someone who can watch him for a few days? ...or even a friend who could come over and take care of him while you detox?

You made it 3 days so far....THIS IS AWESOME! You can do it! For energy, try lots of B Vitamins and foods with a lot of protein. Make yourself move around and go for a short walk.....I know that's hard when you feel like you've been run over by a truck....its so hard to take that first step....and PRAY, PRAY....thank your HP for helping you through this, ask for strength, courage and guidance....get your butt to a meeting....

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Thank you so much everyone. I am trying so hard!!! I had to come clean to my husband and my parents about all the lies, that was so hard. I have a lot of support with the three of them, I have deleted numbers out of my phone so I didnt have temptation. I do not want to live this way anymore, I want to be who I used to be and not NEED a pill to give me energy, I want to live again!!! My husband is not allowing me to take any over the counter medications to help with any of my pains, he says the more it hurts, the more I will remember how bad it was and hopefully not make a bad decision again. It is harsh, but maybe it is what I need, he is trying to push me to be up all day, clean the house spotless and not dwell. His intentions are good, but wtf??????????? I am only human,
Also, as far as finding NA meetings in my area, he will not allow me to do that either, he just thinks me being around other addicts will make it easier for me to get connections... So he found me these forums online... right now, I just feel like I wanna die!

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Thank you so much everyone. I am trying so hard!!! I had to come clean to my husband and my parents about all the lies, that was so hard. I have a lot of support with the three of them, I have deleted numbers out of my phone so I didnt have temptation. I do not want to live this way anymore, I want to be who I used to be and not NEED a pill to give me energy, I want to live again!!! My husband is not allowing me to take any over the counter medications to help with any of my pains, he says the more it hurts, the more I will remember how bad it was and hopefully not make a bad decision again. It is harsh, but maybe it is what I need, he is trying to push me to be up all day, clean the house spotless and not dwell. His intentions are good, but wtf??????????? I am only human,
Also, as far as finding NA meetings in my area, he will not allow me to do that either, he just thinks me being around other addicts will make it easier for me to get connections... So he found me these forums online... right now, I just feel like I wanna die!




Your husband while filled with good intentions doesn't know addiction or what it takes to get and STAY clean. Addiction is a deadly disease for which there is a known method of recovery that works. Ask him if you had a brain tumor if he'd take it out for you? Same thing him thinking he know's how best to treat addiction.

HE needs Naranon to learn how to let you deal with your addiction and recovery.

I have 30 years Clean, I am only one recoverying addict of tens of thousands. NA meetings are the cornerstone of our recovery. The theraputic value of one addiction helping another is without parallel. Indisputably evidenced in our lives, the lives of thousands of addicts free from the bondage of active addiction living a better way of life.

Tell him you NEED to go to NA meetings to find lasting recovery from the disease of addiction, if he has any questions have him call me. My cellphone number is 360-989-6658.

If he will absolutely not allow you to go to meetings, you may have to make a choice for now. Recovery and life or be controlled by your husband.



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Get to a meeting.
Your husband couldn't control your using and he can't control your getting clean.
call the NA helpline for your area (NA.org) follow the 'find a meeting prompts' which gives the helpline numbers.
talking to other women in recovery can save your life.

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Ask hubby to read this thread...

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Amanda,

I understand your situation. I too have a husband who tries to control me and my using (if I chose to use). I've been clean for 20 years. The first 5 of those years, I was active in recovery but I let my husband start managing my life once I got married.

My husband is under the assumption that just because I'm not using then I'm ok, he doesn't understand the disease of addiction. Your husband doesn't either. Find open meetings and ask your husband to go with you, it's the least he can do if he wants you to stay clean. However, I've found that I'm able to speak more freely without my husband at meetings because sometimes I have a hard time dealing with him and his stubborness so naturally I share at meetings when it gets to the point that I can't keep my mouth shut anymore.

I remember the pain of getting clean, granted I got clean in an institution but withdrawals is withdrawals with or without the help of the medical community. As a last resort, do online meetings. I attend online meetings now because I don't have a car to get to meetings nor do I still have phone numbers of recovering friends who attend meetings. I'm pretty much isolated but please take your husband and go to meetings or do online meetings just as long as you are surrounding yourself with recovery everyday and every hour until the pain lessens.

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Hello all.. this is her husband... For one, I am not controlling.. two, I am also a recovered addict.  I know all about what is going on with my wife.. I have lived it myself.. did it cold turkey MY SELF .... it can be done... you have to want it...and repair your body... not replace one drug for another... that is BULL CRAP..

so all you tuff guys that want to type and call me controlling.. hahhahaha  you have no clue... that is still the active addict in my wife talking....and minipulating you into thinking I am controlling.... I love her .. thats what I do... I have given her the world.. even through this... I even gave her this website.... to talk with other addicts that have gone cold turkey... it may suck.. hell i know it sucks.... but in the end  it is SO worth it... just knowing you accomplished on of lives hardest challenges... getting off the evil opiates or drugs in general..  I have known ever since that I am better that drugs.. and I beat them... i didnt let them beat me....

I have known my wife for 20 years, you guys dont know jack
she has been in rehab just in may of 09. and should have gone in 06... but chose to start a life with me and get help that I know I could provide to her based on personal experiances.. it has been a 4 year struggle... and finally she came clean to what I have been accusing and assuming all along.... now that she has created a substantial debt for me to ONCE AGAIN bail her our off...
and there is sooo much more to it.. i dont feel like talking all about it to everyone...

I just want my wife back... and am willing to be by her side to help her.. I got her immodium ad, fish oil, and b enhanced multi vitiams, gatorade, plenty of water, soups, crackers, jello...etc..... to help her stomach and diarehea.... the shaking legs and sweats and feeling of shame and depression.. she can deal with.. and I tell her every chance we talk about what is going on TODAY, that I love her.. (one day at a time, this i know) oh yeah she also takes zoloft.. so she will be ok....this i know...


and it is bc her husband loves her and it determined to make this last time, the really really last time....

as far as the local meetings... sorry, but addicts getting together and getting more connections, just does not do it for me....  unfortuanetly, some that go are forced to legally... some yes do go bc they want to... but my wife has a good support of friends and family that she can reach too... and they are not addicts... they are loved ones... that will help her more....

now onto my son.... her mom came over for a few hours today and tomorrrow while i am at work.. and when i am home I am taking care of him... this part i do feel bad for... my son does not deserve it.. and i have a nieghbor making sure she is ok...

ok i am done for now.... just please dont talk shiat about someone that is truley helping somone else.. your way may not be my way.. and visa versa... but my way works, and I got a good idea what is going to work for my family and my 20 year long best friend in the world....

i love you amanda and together we will get past this.... and one day know that we did it... You will beat these demons.. you are stong, and i have the faith in you....

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Ran,

I congratulate you on doing what very few addicts have succeeded in doing on their own of and by themselves. However, you have a totally ignorant misguided conception of what NA is or how it works. You said YOU can help your wife get and stay clean because YOU did it yourself. Now take that logic and magnify it many tens of thousand fold. Indeed the therapeutic value of one addict helping another is without parallel. Anyone is his right might should be able to comprehend the successes and examples of many may be of greater value and help than the example of one, you.

I went to my Home Group this evening. There were over 20 recovering addicts at the meeting. A grand total of two were court ordered with slips that needed signing, I know I was the chair of the meeting this evening. There was powerful recovering from addiction in that room from the shared experience, strength and hope of many recovering CLEAN addicts. There was many many years of Clean recovery from addiction experience in that room tonight, from many different points of view and ways of empathizing, hell between two of us over 58 years Clean, another woman celebrates 10 years in two days and on and on starting with two people their first day Clean. They were the most important people at the meeting, and neither of them court ordered. 

The BULL CRAP is your misguided notion NA is about getting drug connections. That is NOT NA. Let one person try to talk that about getting connections in a NA meeting and we'd shut them down faster than a bolt of lightning.

The BULL CRAP is not allowing your wife to decide for herself if NA Meetings will work for her and calling it not being controlling. You sir are not God. Your intentions are good but you are not a God with the power to make your wife stay Clean.

I've attended conventions of recovering addicts with thousands of Clean addicts in one room. You have no idea the recovery power you're attempting to withhold from you wife. If you love her, let her go.






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Mike I think you and i got our piss lines crossed here.   Lets not loose sight of the point of this site, it is to help others....meetings are good for some... and my bff aka wife aka amanda went the last time she got out of rehab...  and she did meet some recovered addicts, that were good for her.  some that were not.. life is like a box of chocolates.. forest said.. :)

I am not trying to play god.. what i am trying to do, is show amanda love and respect for her life and family... i have seen what works for Amanda and what does not... worship, friends and family work.. when those three are not with us.. things fall apart...

I know and have accepted that my wife is an addict.. i know i can not control what she does and when.  All I can do is help guide her in the right direction and support her.  you should also know that it is not just Amanda and I,... it is our son... so as the man of my family and father of our child, I am putting my foot down, and making sure this happens... and asking her everyday.. what will help you... and making the best  sober decisions to help her... and my son.  Sorry but I believe that she should try these online forums and online meetings.. and we will go from there...  now Mike dont make be second guess this... and turn this into a cock fight... this was intended to help her... and me... and show her that it can be done.. and that it is not impossible...  support her and me in this time of need....  counseling is on the herizon.... detox is the matter at hand...

"if you can think it, you can do it"

with love and compasion... we will succed and beat the demon that lays in her right now... Amanda is stronger that opiates.... and she knows it, and she will prove it... i believe in her....

AGAIN it is one day at a time.... and like it says below.. COURAGE TO CHANGE THE THINGS I CAN AND WISDOM TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.... We already know that we cant change that we are addicts... but there are things that we can change....... IF WE WANT TO...

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

 


 



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and to get back to the matter at hand....
my wife is detoxing.. and we are trying with out meds... i got her fish oil, immodium ad and a multi vitiam that is loaded with b and her zoloft that she takes.. i bought her some soft foods, and i keep going to check on her in our bed.. (restless leg is a beast for her)...  and i talk to her.. and encourage her.. and make sure she is taking fluids. the immodium seems to have "helped" with the stomach... I keep telling her she is doing great.. and the worst is almost over.. it only gets better now... she is not always so chipper (i know it is the beast talking)... but she hears the care in my voice... and the positive encouragement... only a few more days of hell...  then we will take it from there...

has anyone else tried with out subs or methadone?  just curious how you did it, and what seemed to help...



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something else for an upset stomach that works and isn't any type of medication is coca-cola syrup. Get a two liter bottle and freeze it, only the syrup will remain unfrozen. It does wonders for the stomach.



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It's been a long time since I kicked heroin cold turkey, over three decades, without methadone or other sub drugs to soften the kick if they even existed back then. While a long time ago I'll never forgot the ordeal, feeling like every cell of my body was in pain and freezing, puking stomach bile for days barely able to hold down even water. I don't recall anything that made it better until it just was better. And was probably dangerously alone in my apartment in Germany off base. (was in the military at the time) As bad as it was, for me not necessarily a bad thing. I know that same ordeal or worse is waiting should I choose to use again.

Thankfully Amanda is not alone during her detoxing. You are doing what you can to help her through the ordeal. I'm no doctor but believe the worst of the kick should soon be over.

"What ever the mind can conceive and believe, it can achieve." "If you can think it, you can do it."  I'm a great believer in the power of the mind. Yet for me and countless ofter addicts, our will alone was not enough to stay clean. I tried many times many ways including 6 months inpatient, regularly attending the church of my youth, shrinks etc. Until I found NA I could not stay Clean for any length of time. While I didn't return to heroin I kept replacing it with other drugs, drugs I deemed organic not hard drugs, drugs some shrinks taught were ok if you knew yourself and how to handle them responsibly, God made them so they must be ok, what I call my "Organic Lie". Every attempt using pot and or alcohol responsibly soon led to loosing control of their use and the same destructive behaviors.

In NA I learned addiction is a disease, not a moral deficiency or simple lack of self control. One is too many and thousand is never enough means once any mind altering substance enters my system it triggers an allergic reaction resulting in uncontrollable usage. In NA we believe in complete abstinence from all mind altering drugs. This is the beginning of recovery from active addiction. Only the beginning. We believe there is no cure for the disease of addiction but recovery is possible one day at a time by living the simple spiritual principles of the NA program, the Steps.

Support of family and friends is important. Yet if someone isn't an addict themselves it's not possible to fully empathize and understand how deadly and insidious this disease of addiction really is. I hope and pray your experience and help to Amanda is enough for her long term recovery from addiction.

I also hope and pray you'll open your heart and mind to the experience, strength and hope of thousands of recovering addicts who have found freedom from the bonds of active addiction daily seeking to help each other live the spiritual principles of NA at our meetings.

Edit: Sounds like you have a foundation in Religion. My personal belief system includes the very real forces of good and evil, God and the Devil if you will. The Disease of Addiction is but one of the Devil's tools he uses to try and pull us into the abyss. My personal belief system believes NA is a gift from the God of my understanding, His powerful weapon against Satan's sword of addiction. NA is not a Religous program, it most certainly is a program based firmly in spiritual principles, principles which allow us to tap into a Power greater than ourselves to combat the disease of addiction and learn how to live a better way of life.


-- Edited by Mike M on Wednesday 5th of January 2011 12:33:43 PM

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I think that some people with drug problems are addicts and some are not.
Addiction is a disease. There is something, a gene or other defect that makes a person an addict. ON the other hand there are people, who abuse drugs, and may even have severe consequences from this use, but are not addicts. IMHO these are the people who "quit" on their own.
Addicts, meaning those with the disease of addiction do not get better on their own, anymore than someone can exercise will power over cancer. These true addicts are the "sick and suffering" we talk about in the rooms. NO matter how hard they try, no matter how much love and support they get, no matter if they are locked up and monitored 24/7. They don't get better on their own. They are not weak, or lacking will power. They are ill and need treatment.
Most of the regular posters here have tried EVERYTHING to get clean. Detox, rehab, counselors, therapy, religion, etc. etc. etc. and of course will power. We have found that the only thing that worked for us was immersing ourselves in the program of Narcotics Anonymous.
If your way doesn't work for Amanda, perhaps our way will.
But from our point of view, it's her call.


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good golly miz molly...don't wanna get people all hot and bothered, but I will say that live meetings are not the only way to get and stay clean & sober, nor the only way to attain a program of recovery...look at AA Loners International, with decades of successful history for people who were stuck out on oil rigs, ships, Siberia-whatever-using snail mail, carrier pigeon (yes, really) and morse code on ham radios to get and stay sober...maybe not ideal, but it worked! So online isn't so different. I guess I am more concerned about driving somebody away by coming on too strong too fast about NA meetings when there is a deep resistance...attraction rather than promotion-the honey vs vinegar thing, ya know?

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Hello everybody.... It is Amanda again, I figured since my husband has written quite a bit I should say a few things.. First of all, I really do appreciate everyone response and caring... and thank you for all your thoughts and prayers. I want to let everyone know that this is the hardest thing I have ever had to do in my life, and though I guess today was just a little bit better than yesterday, I am hurting.... It is taking everything from me but I know I am stronger than it... I do need help, I know that, and I know right now my main priority is getting through this detox and then whatever needs to be done after that so be it.

I also wanted to let everyone know that my husband, though a little controlling ( though with me as his wife I cant blame him, and hes been that way for the 20 years I've known him) he has really tried and with as much as he has been through with me, I need to remember he is truly doing this out of love. I have told him, when I was in rehab just over a year and a half ago, the NA meetings helped me the most. Not the counseling, but the meetings, and right now while I am detoxing, I am going to take his advice and do online meetings and then maybe will try a few live meetings in my area. I have realized, I cannot lay on my butt all day with a 2 year old running around. It has taken every piece of me to get up and keep myself busy, but I am doing it... cleaned alot today, made a list of things I wanted to accomplish, one being cut my boys hair, and take him for a nice walk to the park. Though I really thought I was going to pass out by the time we walked back up to my driveway I did it!

Does anyone know how long this is going to take? I mean, I absolutely cannot sleep at night. and my restless legs cause me agony... any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Oh, one more thing, today I got a call from a person letting me know he had a bunch of 30's for sale and if I knew anyone who wanted any, to my honest surprise, what came out of my mouth surprised me, I kindly said I have been detoxing now for 4 days, so please erase my number, I immediately called my husband to tell him, but it truly made me think that I can fight this,, just wanted to share that. Again thank you all so much for your continued support, though I cry every day, things do get better right??????

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Amanda, yes, things do get better. It took me 14 days to detox from coke. It was 14 days of hell but I was lucky I guess because I saw others detoxing much longer. I guess it depends on the person. You did a good thing today by telling the pusher to erase your number. GOOD FOR YOU!! You did the right thing and will be stronger for it. My mom has restless leg syndrome, she says that it helps to use relaxation techniques to quiet her leg muscles before she goes to sleep at night. I don't know if you can get a hold of a relaxation tape but it will help.

Keep up the struggle, it will be over soon and things will get better and you will be stronger for it.

Shana

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God luv ya Amanda, you are doing so well.... Each one of us has our own path of recovery and we do what ever works for us.... The physical pain and cramping should be just about over for you, the not sleeping thing might take a couple of weeks to settle down, warm milk just before you lay down may help, it releases a chemical in the brain that promots sleep ( eltriptifan I think it's called ) the emotional stuff that your going through ( the insanity ) can last for a while but the thing to remember is that all we have to do is make it through today and tommorow will be a little better. If what your doing is working for you keep doing the online meetings as well as the message board, try and find an online sponser that has a good amount of clean time up in NA and start working the steps with her. You can do this just believe..........

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Glad you said no to the drugs. It shows you are improving. There is a world of difference between sharing with other addicts online and in-the-flesh. I hope you're able to get to meetings soon. This is about what's best for you. What worked for your husband might not work for you. I've been clean for 26 years and still go to meetings. They help me deal with life. I think I would be a miserable and rotten person without meetings.

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the water from boiled rice help with the bowl thing and yes coke seemed to help my stomach.you are in many prayers.Pray to draw from their strength

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"It's the people with the cracks that let the light shine through".. Ruth, I love this one...

Amanda is doing so good... cramping and such as subsided quite a bit... restless leg is getting better... her spirit is SOO HIGH! And I have never been so proud of what she has accomplished for her self since Sunday...

Baby steps towards sobriety have only just begun...

Now if I could only sleep now... lol

thanks for the prayers for Amanda. def needed and appreciated.

"Keep on Keeping on"





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I just recently made it through the hardest part of quitting p30's cold turkey, it gets easier by the day.. do things to keep your mind off them like take your son places and hang out with friends and family who do not get involved with pain killers. Surround yourself with people who will lead u in the right direction and keep it going.. and never let anyone look down upon u for your problem it happens to the best of us and only us who know what ur going thru understand. its fuckin hard. "Never judge someone until uv walked a mile in their shoes" ... dont look back now

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